The right to die

[Saitek]

I have heated the fat enough in this thread too. Feelings expressed, opinions made, my 2 pence shared.
Hope no-on gets too offended.

Ben

[flyboy 28]

This whole thing is stupid. Especially the "husbands" part in it.

The guy has already had two kids out of wedlock, so he obviously dosen't "love" her anymore. I think the only reason he wants her to die is because they have a million and a half life insurance policy. It's a mercy killing. I don't know if this has already been said-- I just read the first, second and last pages.

Getting back to the original question, I would want to die. I agree with Sock. What good is life if you can't enjoy it? Go on to meet my maker.

In the Terri Schaivo case, the parents are willing to take care of her, and invest a lot of money in her. I think she should have her tube re-inserted.

[alrot]

. I think she should have her tube re-inserted.

YES!

[Tequila Sunrise]

if it was me I'd want to go...
like many have said, what kind of life would you have in a vegative state...

[jordonj]

I have heated the fat enough in this thread too. Feelings expressed, opinions made, my 2 pence shared.
Hope no-on gets too offended.

Ben

Actually, this is a pretty sensitive issue and yet there was no name-calling, etc that took place here (I have seen that happen over this and other issues on other boards).

To me, that's a testament to the quality members we have here at SimV!

[beefhole]

Hyperion, the problem with that list (I've seen it before as a propoganda page in the local newspaper when I was down in Fort Lauderdale) is that every point on there is refuted by a bazillion experts on the other side, creating a stalemate where nobody knows the truth.  Therefore, statments like that list have absolutely no value to someone like myself, who requires an unbiased look at things (when you bring God into your reasons, I'm gone-you MUST make your case to the general public, not just religious folk).  Unfortunately, in this case, we don't have that.

[asda_price]

YES!

NO!

Just bloody allow her to die... what good is life when you're not able to live it?

[Scottler]

Hyperion, the problem with that list (I've seen it before as a propoganda page in the local newspaper when I was down in Fort Lauderdale) is that every point on there is refuted by a bazillion experts on the other side, creating a stalemate where nobody knows the truth.  Therefore, statments like that list have absolutely no value to someone like myself, who requires an unbiased look at things (when you bring God into your reasons, I'm gone-you MUST make your case to the general public, not just religious folk).  Unfortunately, in this case, we don't have that.

For every physician on Michael's side, there is a physician on Terri's side saying the same thing.  It all comes down to a he said/she said case.  Since there is no evidence proving what she said, the responsible thing to do is err on the side of life.

I'm not sure what the fear of me bringing God into it would be.  If you disagree with that, so be it.  That's your issue, not mine.  (And Beef, I don't necessarily mean YOU, just the generic "you".  lol)  

But let's leave God out, just for argument's sake.  Let's look at fact:

1.  There's no evidence other than hearsay of her wishes.  There's also hearsay evidence that she'd want to live.

2.  Physicians say that she's in PVS.  Other physicians say she's not.

3.  Michael Schiavo has also testified on both sides.  As recently as March 18th he has been quoted as saying that he doesn't know what Terri's wishes are.

What it all comes down to is we don't know.  I've never claimed to know.  Anyone who does claim to know is out of their mind.  But if we don't know, assuming that she'd want to die because WE wouldn't want to live is irresponsible.  

My contention has always been that the tube should be reinserted until a thorough investigation is completed.  If in the end, after all the evidence is reviewed with fresh eyes, it is determined that the tube should be removed, so be it.  I could sleep at night knowing that the decision has been made fairly.  I'd be sad that she died, sure, but I'd know we did everything we can.  

Judge Greer's ruling, however, was not at all fair, and was not made with all of the evidence being allowed.

[jordonj]

If you boys must debate the Terry Schavio issue, please do it via PM.

[BMan1113VR]

If you boys must debate the Terry Schavio issue, please do it via PM.

yes, i think your (jordonj's) prompt was: would you rather be put out of your misery if you were in a vegitative state. so please try to answer that hypothetical, because discussing the actual topic might get too heated

[Scottler]

Just so I understand what's happening here...the original post was:

I'm sure most of you know about the current storm about Terry Schaivo and whether her tube should be re-inserted, or she should be allowed to die...

The post is made while the Schiavo case is the most talked about case in the nation.

And then when people talk about that case, someone tries to say that's not what this thread was about?  This happens AFTER seven pages of debate?

[Hagar]

I think this demonstrates the danger of quoting part of a statement. This is the bit you left out.

while I have no intention of typing my opinion in this matter (or my opinion on the issues surrounding it), I'm just curious:

Is there any member of SimV who would want to be kept alive in such a state?

Jordon's intention was quite clear to me from the start & he did post at least one reminder.

Just for the record...this was to be about our own wishes and not to turn into a debate about Terry Schavio...

However, I think everyone has discussed this so far without getting heated or nasty about it. Maybe it's time to return to the original topic & the hypothetical question or let the subject fizzle out.

[X56SB]

if they do put it back in did they say they might be able to help her?

[jordonj]

Thank you Hagar, and Hype, while I am not about to say that either you or Beef have gotten too heated about this (and it's clear that you both have strong feelings on the matter), I can see tempers wearing short from your exchange...and would like to prevent it getting any hotter...

[beefhole]

I apologize, but my response to Hyperion does not have anything to do with Terri-the reason I say God should be left out of arguments such as this one is because they're trying to net mass appeal.  I am a very shrewd writer who knows the dos and don'ts of gaining mass appeal, and bringing a specific religion into it is not a way to do it.  I was simply commenting that in order to gain more followers, you should use more secular reasons, of which they have plenty.

Thank you Hagar, and Hype, while I am not about to say that either you or Beef have gotten too heated about this (and it's clear that you both have strong feelings on the matter), I can see tempers wearing short from your exchange...and would like to prevent it getting any hotter...

Interesting you should say this-I actually don't have a clear cut view on this.  I just don't know.  And I'm sorry to be blunt, but I don't really care.  There are more important things going on in the world, and I will spend my intellectual energy on them.

Also, an exchange implies at least two posts from both parties.  That was my first.  I didn't make it clear enough that the only purpose of that post was to show that people such as myself, who are on the fence, cannot be persuaded one way or the other easily because we don't know who to believe.  That's all I'm posting on this matter, I swear. Sorry. Just some good ol' fashion clarification.