Drive by Shooter kit.

[RichieB16]

I just prefer to have them unloaded...I don't like weapons stored loaded.  I have 2 8-round magazines loaded at all times for my .45 M1911.  I leave them next to the gun and locked in the safe.  If I ever need to get a gun, I think loading it and chambering a round won't take too long.

[Brett_Henderson]

[quote]I just prefer to have them unloaded...I don't like weapons stored loaded.

[H]

Getting to, and opening the safe first, during a home invasion, might be little time-consuming...

Particularly when he locks himself in the safe first... just to be safe...

8-)

[Apex]

Like I said, home invasion happens.

[BFMF]

some say a firearm is the cheapest life insurance.

I took a college english course with a guy a couple years ago who told me his family had a home invasion one evening, and if it wasn't for him grabbing the shotgun and threatning to use it, the outcome could have been worse.

But sometimes, showing a baseball bat, or trying to reason with criminals intent on doing whatever, isn't always the answer

[quote]http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou061228_ac_crosbyshooting.547846d3.html

An overnight home invasion robbery attempt in northeast Harris County ended in a hail of gunfire that left two suspects dead.

Investigators said a 17-year-old was home with his cousin when four armed men kicked in the door and started shooting.

The teen pulled out a shotgun of his own and fired back at the suspects, killing two of them.

Two other suspects were later caught.

The 17-year-old asked to not be identified.

[commoner]

..mm....in the UK I would say that showing an intruder a baseball bat ne'er mind a shotgun would be classed as over reaction and more than likely get you into trouble with the law and at least a costly brush with a lawyer too............and showing a loaded gun would DEFINITELY get you spell inside

"An Englishman's home is his castle"...don't you believe it! The law in this country is well on the side of the poor downtrodden criminal.........

......commoner

[BFMF]

..mm....in the UK I would say that showing an intruder a baseball bat ne'er mind a shotgun would be classed as over reaction and more than likely get you into trouble with the law and at least a costly brush with a lawyer too............and showing a loaded gun would DEFINITELY get you spell inside

If someone breaks into your family's home in the middle of the night with the intent of commiting murder,rape,theft,injury, ect, you don't think that threatning the intruder with a loaded weapon to defend yourself and your family is over reacting?

But I guess if you're not allowed to have a firearm in the first place, using a firearm to defend yourself could get you into trouble regardless.

[commoner]

If someone breaks into your family's home in the middle of the night with the intent of commiting murder,rape,theft,injury, ect, you don't think that threatning the intruder with a loaded weapon to defend yourself and your family is over reacting?

But I guess if you're not allowed to have a firearm in the first place, using a firearm to defend yourself could get you into trouble regardless.

Speaking personally Ess I think threatening an intruder with a loaded gun would be the PERFECT way to react.........BUT the law on this in this country is IMHO  as they say "an Ass" ...commoner

[Hagar]

If someone breaks into your family's home in the middle of the night with the intent of commiting murder,rape,theft,injury, ect, you don't think that threatning the intruder with a loaded weapon to defend yourself and your family is over reacting?

But I guess if you're not allowed to have a firearm in the first place, using a firearm to defend yourself could get you into trouble regardless.

A couple of observations from reading this thread. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind on the subject as I know that would be a complete waste of time.

I can't help thinking that the average American is paranoid about being attacked in his own home by armed intruders intent on committing all sorts of unspeakable atrocities. It strikes me that an intruder with more than one brain cell will not give advance notice of his intentions & will strike without warning at the most inconvenient time for his intended victim. In this case, relying on firearms for defence won't be much use unless you carry a permanently loaded gun about your person at all times, even when you're in the shower or asleep on the sofa in front of the TV. It's even possible that your own firearm could be used against you.

I won't pretend to like the idea of personal firearms but what you do in your own country is none of my business. I've never owned a firearm of any description & never felt the need for one. I've managed to live for over 65 years without my home being broken into, never been threatened in any way by anyone & don't know anyone who has. If I had then perhaps I would feel differently.

[expat]

If someone breaks into your family's home in the middle of the night with the intent of commiting murder,rape,theft,injury, ect, you don't think that threatning the intruder with a loaded weapon to defend yourself and your family is over reacting?

But I guess if you're not allowed to have a firearm in the first place, using a firearm to defend yourself could get you into trouble regardless.

A couple of observations from reading this thread. I'm not trying to agged in front of a judge charged with assualt whiles some carae change anyone's mind on the subject as I know that would be a complete waste of time.

I've managed to live for 65 years without my home being broken into or being threatened in any way by anyone & don't know anyone who has. If I had then perhaps I would feel differently.

My family must have had your quota then Hagar. I have been burgled twice and my sister once.  I now live in Germany and have a firearms license. I am a hobby shooter, however, unlike the UK I have the right to use deadly force to defend myself or my family as long as the offender is also armed. The right is there, getting my gun out of the safe in time, well that is another matter, but the safe is next to our bed, bolted to the wall in a unlocked cupboard. I may have a fighting chance at night to get it out, on the other hand it may just be better to pull the covers over my head, call the police and claim on the insurance.............Yes, a 6 foot plasma screen and my wifes diamonds inherited from here grandmother where stolen along with my entire collection or original Star Wars figures I am not paranoid even after being turned over twice, but the UK is now a country where the people live in fear of crime, particularly knife, how many people have been stabbed to death this last week alone? and the criminals have all the rights thanks to the PC brigade. If you defend yourself in your own home in the UK, whether it is by baseball bat, umbrella, a well thrown boot or by a fist, you run the very big risk of being dragged in front of a judge and ending up with a criminal record whilst you "victim", Mr Career Criminal spends his

[commoner]

If someone breaks into your family's home in the middle of the night with the intent of commiting murder,rape,theft,injury, ect, you don't think that threatning the intruder with a loaded weapon to defend yourself and your family is over reacting?

But I guess if you're not allowed to have a firearm in the first place, using a firearm to defend yourself could get you into trouble regardless.

A couple of observations from reading this thread. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind on the subject as I know that would be a complete waste of time.

I can't help thinking that the average American is paranoid about being attacked in his own home by armed intruders intent on committing all sorts of unspeakable atrocities. It strikes me that an intruder with more than one brain cell will not give advanced notice of his intentions & will strike without warning at the most inconvenient time for his intended victim. In this case, relying on firearms for defence won't be much use unless you carry a permanently loaded gun about your person at all times, even when you're in the shower or asleep on the sofa in front of the TV. It's even possible that your own firearm could be used against you.

I won't pretend to like the idea of personal firearms but what you do in your own country is none of my business. I've never owned a firearm of any description & never felt the need for one. I've managed to live for over 65 years without my home being broken into, never been threatened in any way by anyone & don't know anyone who has. If I had then perhaps I would feel differently.

...mmm.....lot of good sense spoken as usual from Hagar........I myself have not had intruders in my house but I do know several folk who have and they are ALL of the opinion that we are at a disadvantage with the law of "reasonable force" which in reality  means if you apply more force than the intruder in defending your home...you are in trouble!  IMO that is just not good enough.

....in a lighter vein I chuckle at the thought of some babe in the shower sporting a tied down "peacemaker" ....mmm....maybe I could make some cash from a showerproof holster.......commoner

[Hagar]

I am not paranoid even after being turned over twice, but the UK is now a country where the people live in fear of crime, particularly knife, how many people have been stabbed to death this last week alone?  

You paint a very different picture of the UK from the country I know & love. Living abroad I suspect your comments are influenced more by the popular media than from personal experience. I realise that there is more violent crime in Britain than ever before but I don't live in fear of crime & never have. If I ever felt in danger I would seriously consider emigrating but might have difficulty in finding somewhere safer. I'm very critical of our police when they deserve it but on the whole I think they still do a pretty good job.

[quote]If you defend yourself in your own home in the UK, whether it is by baseball bat, umbrella, a well thrown boot or by a fist, you run the very big risk of being dragged in front of a judge and ending up with a criminal record whilst you "victim", Mr Career Criminal spends his

[expat]

I am not paranoid even after being turned over twice, but the UK is now a country where the people live in fear of crime, particularly knife, how many people have been stabbed to death this last week alone?  

You paint a very different picture of the UK from the country I know & love. Living abroad I suspect your comments are influenced more by the popular media than from personal experience. I realise that there is more violent crime in Britain than ever before but I don't live in fear of crime & never have. If I ever felt in danger I would seriously consider emigrating but might have difficulty in finding somewhere safer. I'm very critical of our police when they deserve it but on the whole I think they still do a pretty good job.

[quote]If you defend yourself in your own home in the UK, whether it is by baseball bat, umbrella, a well thrown boot or by a fist, you run the very big risk of being dragged in front of a judge and ending up with a criminal record whilst you "victim", Mr Career Criminal spends his

[Hagar]

I am not paranoid even after being turned over twice, but the UK is now a country where the people live in fear of crime, particularly knife, how many people have been stabbed to death this last week alone?  

You paint a very different picture of the UK from the country I know & love. Living abroad I suspect your comments are influenced more by the popular media than from personal experience. I realise that there is more violent crime in Britain than ever before but I don't live in fear of crime & never have. If I ever felt in danger I would seriously consider emigrating but might have difficulty in finding somewhere safer. I'm very critical of our police when they deserve it but on the whole I think they still do a pretty good job.

[quote]If you defend yourself in your own home in the UK, whether it is by baseball bat, umbrella, a well thrown boot or by a fist, you run the very big risk of being dragged in front of a judge and ending up with a criminal record whilst you "victim", Mr Career Criminal spends his

[expat]

I am not paranoid even after being turned over twice, but the UK is now a country where the people live in fear of crime, particularly knife, how many people have been stabbed to death this last week alone?  

You paint a very different picture of the UK from the country I know & love. Living abroad I suspect your comments are influenced more by the popular media than from personal experience. I realise that there is more violent crime in Britain than ever before but I don't live in fear of crime & never have. If I ever felt in danger I would seriously consider emigrating but might have difficulty in finding somewhere safer. I'm very critical of our police when they deserve it but on the whole I think they still do a pretty good job.

[quote]If you defend yourself in your own home in the UK, whether it is by baseball bat, umbrella, a well thrown boot or by a fist, you run the very big risk of being dragged in front of a judge and ending up with a criminal record whilst you "victim", Mr Career Criminal spends his