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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby C » Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:23 pm

Per Reuters- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11157659/
SAFAGA, Egypt - Survivors of the Red Sea ferry disaster said on Saturday the Egyptian captain had fled his burning ship by lifeboat and abandoned them to their fate..... :o


From Al Salam Maritime...

Cairo, 4 February 2006 – 16,50 local time

Statement of Clarification

El Salam Maritime Transport Co, in reference to what reported by various International Media Centers would like to clarify the following:

The Captain and the large majority of the crew members including the Officers and Engineers

are until this moment missing either dead or alive. None of the lifeboats have been used to evacuate passengers or crew members since the vessel was listed and capsized. Only liferafts have been used for the passenger evacuation.

Until this moment only 17 crew members, out of 96, has been officially reported alive.

All the above are ratings and one 2 nd Officer

El Salam maritime Transport Co,


El Salam Maritime Transport Co. presents her condolences for all the families who lost their relatives and loved ones in the accident of M/V Alsalam Boccaccio 98.

 

Concerning the vessels accident, the company would like to clarify the following:

M/V Alsalam Boccaccio 98 was complying with all the international safety regulations and treaties and certified to make international voyages.

M/V Alsalam Boccaccio 98 had been performing several time charters contracts since 2001 and had participated at the G8 Summit held in Genoa Italy chosen among 11 other ships from all over the world.

On 2002 the vessel performed tourist voyages between Alexandria port Egypt and Antalya ( Turkey ) Rhodes ( Greece ) in addition to her voyages between Laggolet ( Tunisia ) and Marseille (France)

2005 the vessel had been chosen as one of the ships to carry the Egyptian pilgrimas during the haj season(December2005/January 2006) from Egypt to Suadi Arabia and she passed successfully all the intensive inspections carried out from the Egyptian Authority for maritime safety and all port state control inspections with very satisfactory reports officially recorded in the official log books.

Vessels'' crew members: all crew members are highly trained in accordance to the latest techniques of the STCW-95 Treaty (Standard of training certification and watch keeping) and all of the crew was certified with the required certificates according to the international regulations.

Master: Captain Sayed Omar Graduated from the Egyptian naval academy in 1965 had been certified as a master since 1972 and along 28 years of service in different international maritime companies on different types of vessels .

He joined El Salam Maritime Transport Co. in 1998 until the current accident.

We would like to clarify that all vessels operating world wide should comply with all the international conventions for the safety of life at sea (SOLAS) Issued in 1974 and its amendments, and all members of the United Nations are members of this treaty.

According to article number 33 from the Egyptian Maritime Ministry which states that any vessel sailing from Egyptian ports should comply with all conditions and inspections regardless of its flag.

El Salam Company States that the vessel is insured with one of the leading insurance companies in The UK. This leading insurance firm requires very high standards of quality and safety and it performs a pre – entry surveys through its technical staff to ensure the vessel's compatibility before accepting the coverage .

As for the accident complications , it is quite early to determine the actual causes as all the authorities and company efforts now are mainly concerned with the rescue operations as first Priority. The company is assuring to all that it will pay all the compensation immediately after finalizing the procedures.

Last , Al Salam appreciates and thanks all the parties participated and still participating in the search and rescue operations .
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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:30 pm

I think this incident should be put down to an unfortunate accident instead of neglegence on behalf of those on board or those responsible for the state of the vessel. Just because it isn't in the west doesn't mean it's not safe and just because you don't hear of cargo ships etc sinking doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Cruise ships are not unknown to sink either.
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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby Hagar » Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:44 pm

Mmm, looking at the photos on the Al Salam website, the Boccaccio '98 looks like no relation to any of Townsend Thoresen/P&O vessel of the late 80's, certainly not the Herald of Free Enterprise.

The Al Salam '89 however, bears such a resemblance that it even is shown with a blue hull and funnels, so maybe the press are clutching at straws to make any link they can... ::)

Link to Al Salam page showing Boccaccio '98's class (as sank this week

Link to Al Salam page showing M/V Al Salam '89, and its T-T/P&O origins

That just goes to show they're basing all these sensational 'news' articles on the wrong ship. ::)
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/03022006/325/photo/egyptian-ferry-al-salam-98.html
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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby C » Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:00 pm

That just goes to show they're basing all these sensational 'news' articles on the wrong ship. ::)
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/03022006/325/photo/egyptian-ferry-al-salam-98.html


Mmm, yep, according to Al Salem the picture shown in that link is the '89. Maybe the journos should take 5 minutes to get the facts right, or clarify them...

...No chance! ::)
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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby Katahu » Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:01 pm

Cruise ships are not unknown to sink either.


Quote from the movie:
"Sir, rest asured that this ship [the Titanic] is unsinkable".
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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby beaky » Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:06 pm

Just read that the captain, if one can call him that, was seen leaving on a boat not long after a fire started on board... apparently the anxious pax were told to relax and take off their life jackets.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060205/ap_ ... ship_sinks

Other reports indicate that women were locked in their cabins... seems odd that the cabins can be locked from the outside, but then again, maybe not. I have noticed that in all the pictures I've seen of rescued survivors, there's not a woman among them... not one visible. The few pictures don't tell the whole story, but...
 There was another similar sinking some years back in Malaysia, I believe... mostly Muslim crew and pax... an American woman tourist was among the survivors. She's a lifeguard, and was doing OK in the water, but according to her report after being rescued,when she tried to help a floundering woman onto a raft full of men, they would not allow them aboard. Charming.
I doubt all Muslim men think this way, but it's disturbing. What hope can there be for such a culture? A wise man once said: "'Women and children first!' All else is excrescence and folly..."


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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby Hagar » Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:52 am

Just read that the captain, if one can call him that, was seen leaving on a boat not long after a fire started on board... apparently the anxious pax were told to relax and take off their life jackets.

Other reports indicate that women were locked in their cabins... seems odd that the cabins can be locked from the outside, but then again, maybe not. I have noticed that in all the pictures I've seen of rescued survivors, there's not a woman among them... not one visible. The few pictures don't tell the whole story, but...

I have no idea if these reports are true but as you say it gives food for thought.
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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:47 am


Quote from the movie:
"Sir, rest asured that this ship [the Titanic] is unsinkable".

Titanic wasn't a cruise ship. But a valid point not the less. ;)
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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby 4_Series_Scania » Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:11 am

Titanic wasn't a cruise ship. But a valid point not the less. ;)


On June 1, 1911, the Irish News and Belfast Morning News contained a report on the launching of Titanic's hull. The article described the system of watertight compartments and electronic watertight doors and concluded that Titanic was practically unsinkable.

In 1911, Shipbuilder magazine published an article on the White Star Line's sister ships Titanic and Olympic. The article described the construction of the ship and concluded that Titanic was practically unsinkable.

The Titanic was a "Royal Mail Steamer" , in actual fact, she was never claimed to be unsinkable, this is myth distorted from the above quotes Circa 1911.  due, to the builders being unable to envisage a situation where more than 4 of the ships 16 watertight compartments could be open to the sea.

This leaflet from the period, demonstrates the sentiment I think in its correct context.
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Designed to be unsinkable, quite a contrast from "This ship cannot sink" I think.
 
You have to remember that 4 compartments on the Titanic was 300+ft in length, that was about 2 thirds of the size of your average vessel back then!

In a nutshell, they thought they'd see and avoid anything big enough to cause enough damage to sink her.

Thats thought for you!  ;) ;)
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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:00 pm

You cannot built a ship to be unsinkable. The very fact that you're building it out of something that is denser than water dictates that it will sink in the right circumstances.

Btw, how much truth is there in Ismay saying that "god himself could not sink this ship"?
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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby beaky » Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:01 pm

I have no idea if these reports are true but as you say it gives food for thought.  Media news coverage of this tragedy doesn't appear to be too accurate so far. Why am I not surprised? ::)
According to some reports (& the film) the steerage class passengers on the Titanic suffered a similar fate.

I was interested to find out how this traditition started.
http://ne.essortment.com/shiptraditionw_rrqb.htm



Maybe Seton can be credited with two firsts: "women and children first!" and "sauve qui peut!" ...

Good thing he got the timing of each right...;D

But I think we may all be here because it's been understood for a long time that in the event of a crisis where many lives are threatened, possibly an entire tribe, women and kids are more valuable, in the long run. And if there's work to be done (getting boats in the water safely or maybe saving the ship), that's usually best left to the men.
It may even be an instinct... it seems to be instinctive in my case, anyway.
But like in wartime, if a lady volunteers, best to let her have her way... usually there's no time to argue. ;)
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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby 4_Series_Scania » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:19 pm

You cannot built a ship to be unsinkable. The very fact that you're building it out of something that is denser than water dictates that it will sink in the right circumstances.

Btw, how much truth is there in Ismay saying that "god himself could not sink this ship"?


None whatsoever, "God himself could not sink this ship!"

Unknown Titanic crewmember to embarking passenger, Mrs Sylvia Caldwell.

Such myths stem from verbatim quotes of the period , the drama of the story and the usual cases of not wanting facts to get in the way of a good story, lead to such mis-quotes.

A few genuine quotes from the period...

"I cannot imagine any condition which would cause a ship to founder. I cannot conceive of any vital disaster happening to this vessel. Modern ship building has gone beyond that."
-Captain Smith, Commander of Titanic

"Control your Irish passions, Thomas. Your uncle here tells me you proposed 64 lifeboats and he had to pull your arm to get you down to 32. Now, I will remind you just as I reminded him these are my ships. And, according to our contract, I have final say on the design. I
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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:38 pm


Shame to see such a comparable loss of life 94 years after the loss of Titanic, we seem to learn little with regard to the sea.

::)

Just goes to show that no matter what happens and what you do, the sea is still more powerful than anything you take upon it.
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Re: Egypt ferry sinks

Postby 4_Series_Scania » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:05 pm

Just goes to show that no matter what happens and what you do, the sea is still more powerful than anything you take upon it.


Aye, very true,

I've just noticed I edited my above post @2:20AM this morning, the very hour the RMS Titanic sank.... Spooky! Cue Twilight Zone theme......  ;D
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