Not A Comforting Thought

[Hagar]

who said anything about the sun? You could never get close enough. Gaseous planets contain many forms of fuel. And since space flights will happen anyway why not put them to good use. Your all quick to shoot down my ideas but are in no rush to offer some solutions of your own

I'm not being pessimistic or trying to shoot you down but I have no solution to the problem. People far more qualified than me can't seem to agree on this & it won't make much difference unless we all do it. It's difficult to get 2 different countries in the EU to agree on anything so you can see the problem we're faced with.

I suggest that our survival involves changing the way we think. As I mentioned earlier, it's perfectly possible to live happily without the luxuries we now take for granted. I suspect that my generation would cope better in these circumstances than most as we can remember what it was like without them. It really wasn't that bad, in some cases I think we were much happier & life was far less stressful.

I'm still not sure that most people realise how much we depend on oil. If you really think about it you might see the extent of the problem. It's quite possible there are reserves we don't know about but due to conflicts in some parts of the world we don't have full access to what we do know about. I don't think I need go any further on that point.

[Craig.]

but the shooting Nuclear waste into space has been thought of before

i think you missed my point. I am not suggesting we shoot waste into space. I already know the dangers of nuclear power for anything other than a power station. They tried it with aircraft and very quickly realised it wasn't possible. Woody is the one arguing for it i believe.
My argument is for us going to other planets and bringing back possible fuel sources.

[Hagar]

My argument is for us going to other planets and bringing back possible fuel sources.

Again, I'm trying not to be pessimistic. Even if it were possible I think this would be tremendously expensive & probably too late to do any good. I can't see how you could transport anything in the vast quantities we need to make it worthwhile.

[Craig.]

Possibly not, but it might open up other options. Just trying to think outside the box, because i am almost certain that current and future generations wont give up their fancy toys which are using up our resources.

[Hagar]

i am almost certain that current and future generations wont give up their fancy toys which are using up our resources.

They might darned well have to. People have had to adapt before & will undoubtedly cope as they always have.

I've said more than my share on this subject already so I'll leave you with that thought.

[Craig.]

ah why quit now, i enjoy our discussions, this is no differant LOL. actually i have to drop out of this, i am having a hard enough time trying to find a dog kennels round here as it is, dont need to loose more time on Oil.

[Hagar]

ah why quit now, i enjoy our discussions, this is no differant LOL. actually i have to drop out of this, i am having a hard enough time trying to find a dog kennels round here as it is, dont need to loose more time on Oil.

Oh well, if you insist but this seems to be turning into a private discussion.

Not sure why you think you're in the doghouse. I've probably been pondering on this subject on & off since before you were born & still have no answer to it. I'm simply stating my point of view.

I was talking about adapting. I forget the dates & exact details but put yourself back a few years to the outbreak of WWII, just over 65 years ago when Fozzer & Commoner were 5 years old. Suddenly petrol was rationed, among a great many other things, & people in this country could no longer run their cars. What fuel reserves we had were required for military purposes. Not so many cars around in those days of course but unless you were wealthy & could afford to get it on the black market (there are always people who profit from conflict) there was no alternative but to find other ways of getting around. This is just one small example of what we're faced with. Not for 5 or 6 years but the foreseeable future.

[ATI_7500]

Space Shuttles neither run on kerosene, nor on nuclear power. They're just using liquid oxygewn & liquid hydrogen as 'fuel'. Hence all the ice on the boosters & tanks.
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Practically all rockets are the prime example for future technology.

AFAIK, the first rockets (V2) had fuel made of H

[Craig.]

Not sure why you think you're in the doghouse.

LMAO While i am sure my comments here could get me in trouble. Same goes for my parents attitude towards me:) we are looking for a scottish terrier, damn things are harder to find than a needle in a haystack.

No doubt over the comming years oil will spike in price and rationing will become common in 15 years or so, but until that happens, no one will do anything and things will only get worse. Ignorance is bliss as they say.

They're just using liquid oxygewn & liquid hydrogen as 'fuel'. Hence all the ice on the boosters & tanks

Thats the one, knew it was liquid something or other

[Hagar]

[quote]Space Shuttles neither run on kerosene, nor on nuclear power. They're just using liquid oxygewn & liquid hydrogen as 'fuel'. Hence all the ice on the boosters & tanks.
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Practically all rockets are the prime example for future technology.

AFAIK, the first rockets (V2) had fuel made of H

[farmerdave]

Well, I think we could save quite a bit of gas if we made Hummers and Exscursions(sp?) illegal.

[ATI_7500]

Well, I think we could save quite a bit of gas if we made Hummers and Exscursions(sp?) illegal.

You'd then have the whole mid-western population running after you with pitchforks...

[Tequila Sunrise]

About shooting nuclear waste to the sun; even if we could design and build something capable of transporting it to the sun without vapourising nothing we can create can hold a candle to the radition emissions emited by the sun, in short our waste next to the sun is a drop in the ocean.
ah well... guess I'll be teaching my kids to hunt Haggis  ::)

[Woodlouse2002]

About the shooting waste into the sun thing, what happens is you aim it for the sun, it goes there, vapourises when it gets to close and voila, end of problem end of waste.

[Craig.]

my fear with shooting nuclear waste into space. It explodes in the atmosphere as has happend in the past with shuttle launches. How much of the planet is gone. Sorry if this has been asked.