nazi william....

[Craig.]

No Harrys just an Idiot. He has done so much stupid crap its getting boring. I think a huge shock would be him actually doing something sensible.

[beaky]

Anybody who bought a paper to read more about this "news" may be a moron, but the Prince ought to have enough sense to stay one step ahead of the "journalists" who pander to them, and avoid such displays, even if trembling at Nazi symbols is hopelessly boring nowadays. But  whatever. He's a kid, and it was a costume party- good taste and historical accuracy are not expected at such affairs. I once dressed as Dr. Strangeglove at a Halloween party (complete w/wheelchair)... a (highly amused)  German friend's only comment on my impression of Sellers as the mad Nazi scientist: "You've got the accent all wrong...".

[elwellnick24]

well at least the guy who took the photo didnt do too well out of it.....he didnt realise what he had, and sold the pics to the sun newspaper for 10 grand...not realisin they were worth ten times that....

[ATI_7500]

No Harrys just an Idiot. He has done so much stupid crap its getting boring. I think a huge shock would be him actually doing something sensible.

I don't think that beating up annoying reporters is that stupid at all...

[Woodlouse2002]

well at least the guy who took the photo didnt do too well out of it.....he didnt realise what he had, and sold the pics to the sun newspaper for 10 grand...not realisin they were worth ten times that....

Eitherway he still deserves a firing squad. People who follow the rich and famous around, take pics and sell them to tabloids for a huge amount of money are lower than dirt.

[Hagar]

If people weren't interested in this nonsense they wouldn't waste time printing it or paying

[jordonj]

It's kind of a morbid facination...isn't it?

Or the desire to shock.

[Hagar]

It's kind of a morbid facination...isn't it?

Or the desire to shock.

It's more than that. The editors know full well that royal scandals sell newpapers. I have no idea why but this must be true or they wouldn't keep running these stories. If it's a slow news day they dig around & find something, not difficult & they have plenty of scope. If there's nothing new they publish yet another story about Diana. I never understood Joe Public's fascination with royalty. Their antics don't interest me in the slightest.

PS. For someone who said they had no comment to make on this subject I seem to have said rather a lot. LOL

[jordonj]

I heard a comment from a fancy dress costume supplier on the radio this morning that a Nazi costume is one of the most popular outfits he stocks.

I was referring to the above actually...

I share your lack of interest in the antics of royality (I'm not even a limey, just a yank )

I was going to this "Christian" singles group, and the people there really liked to rag on Judiasm.  Though they said they did not condone what the Nazis and Germany did, they sounded a lot like the average German did in those days (if I choose to believe what I've read).

Of course, it wasn't the first mass Genocide (there's what the U.S. did to the American Indian), nor the last (consider Bosnia, and currently Sudan).  In his book Maus, the author is speaking to a therapist who says of his project (which was still in progress at the time) something to this effect:

"Nobody has learned.  People haven't changed.  So maybe it's better to not anymore tell Holocaust stories."

[Hagar]

I was referring to the above actually...

Oops. Sorry but my comments still stand. There seems to be an unhealthy interest in how other people live their lives these days. More so now than ever before. Hence the popularity of these "reality" shows. An oxymoron if ever I saw one.

I think your other comments are probably right too. [quote]"Nobody has learned.

[beaky]

Who was it that said: "history would be a very effective learning tool if it wasn't so damn repetitive"? Alas, jordanj, it's so true about many "nice Christian" folks... they're hypocrites. The rabbi from Galilee would not approve, I think.  Not much difference between actively persecuting Jews and simply trash-mouthing them because their beliefs and customs differ slightly from your own (although for the millions who suffered under Hitler and Stalin, and still suffer today, it makes a lot of difference!). I'm a lapsed Catholic myself, and my mother's father was a (non-practicing) Jew who was disowned by his very orthodox Ukranian family when they discovered he'd married my grandmother, whose family was Irish Catholic (" a shiksa!!??"). He sacrificed a lot, just because he loved her so much.  My mother, her sister and brothers grew up in Boston, where on some blocks they travelled, there'd be Jewish people angrily crying "Goyim!" on one side of the street, and Irish people yelling "go home, ya dirty half-Jews!" on the other. My mother and her parents never missed an opportunity to warn me about how organized religion can keep people apart. Mom used to proudly wear a small pendant consisting of a cross and Star of David superimposed. My father insisted we go to Catholic Mass as kids probably just so he could have the house to himself on Sunday mornings; he never went. Ah, but we risk diverging into another topic altogether...

[jordonj]

Goy is a derogatory term?  Or does it depend on how it's used?

I'm thinking of Shabbos Goy...

Despite what so many people (including newspaper editors & leader writers) seem to think, nobody declared war on Nazi Germany to stop atrocities.

You speak the truth there Hagar.  And what you say of the newspapers in your other comment I agree with as well.

Consider that the U.S. didn't seem to care what the Taliban did until that day on Sept 11th...

Whatever your political opinion of the U.S. administration...what I say is still true (and I have no intention of going into a debate on that here).

The same could be said of Pearl Harbor as well.

[beaky]

[quote]Goy is a derogatory term?  Or does it depend on how it's used?

Depends on the tone... I lived for a few months in a mostly Hasidic neighborhood in Brooklyn; one day as I was passing the house next door to mine, a little girl came running out the front door, pointing at me and shouting "Goyim! Goyim!". I half-expected a mob with pitchforks and torches to appear also, so I didn't stick around long enough to explain to her about my own heritage (not that it would've helped, necessarily). It was heartbreaking to see this child, who'd probably never talked to a gentile, so consumed with fear and loathing just because she'd been "programmed" by intolerant adults. That hurt more than the insult.  Then there was the time an old man leading a group of Hasidim on a Saturday stroll down my street  spit on the ground as he passed me. No mistaking THAT!! Obviously my Goyishe presence on the street on the Lord's Sabbath was an affront to this pious member of God's special flock (detect any sarcasm there?). Again, I bit my tongue, because that old fool probably held little regard for "half-Jews" (plus, I was outnumbered). Do idiots like that really think that they can live in a world separate from all the rest of humanity?  Not all my neighbours were so unkind, but there was a general resentment of gentiles there, because the Hasidim had tried to make it an exclusive enclave for their own kind, with only limited success.  This kind of polarization seems evergreen: despite all of recorded  history, despite so many gestures of tolerance and community (like my grandparents' very happy marriage), this warped tribalism keeps mutating over and over again. It's depressing...

[jordonj]

it's depressing

Tell me about it...

That's why I'm a Unitarian...and even they have their own pockets of intolerance...they're not great at making conservative feel welcome.

[beaky]

Unitarian, eh? I've only been in a Unitarian church once, for a friend's wedding. It had a nice vibe, so to speak. Yeah, there's no end in sight to "isms", and the problems caused by that kind of thinking. All this talk reminds me of Richard Bach's "Illusions"... ever read it?