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Re: English Language

Postby Hagar » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:09 am

Here's some extracts from the newspaper article I referred to. While not agreeing with the sensationalist reporting style of a typical tabloid I believe it's based on the same report as in Eno's link & demonstrates the extent of the problem.

Horrified markers told how many 18-year-olds were unable to write a basic sentence.

Some wrote essays in text message shorthand, such as: "2 B or not 2 B."

The scandal is laid bare in an end-of-year report by A-level assessors with the OCR exams board.

Even A-grade pupils had sloppy English.

Common mistakes included mixing up "where" and "were".

Some wrote "fief" instead of "thief".

Also worrying was the use of TV soap slang.

One culprit wrote about World War Two: "The Gestapo 'did over' those who 'bad-mouthed' Hitler."

The three most common mistakes were "Starlin" for Stalin, "lassie fair" for laissez-faire and "economical policy" for "economic policy".

Another marker said one pupil wrote Stalin sent peasants to Serbia- instead of Siberia.

One claimed Napoleon crossed into Spain via the Philippines - instead of the Pyrenees.

A business studies examiner said: "How someone who has studied the subject for two years is still unable to pluralise 'business' is a mystery."

Bear in mind that we're expected to believe the claim that standards are high with a 96% pass rate this year. I don't find this at all surprising when 45% can get you an A grade. This is not intended as a criticism of the students as I know they work very hard. It's more an indictment of the current education system.
This comment sums up my own feelings nicely.
"If there were ever a case for the restoration of the tried and trusted exam system it's now been made convincingly."
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Re: English Language

Postby ozzy72 » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:16 am

I have to agree with the SMS err language? I had a couple of students recently hand in a piece of homework with these umm abbreviations on, and they didn't understand why they had failed. I pointed out that I taught English not Stupid!
Oddly enough the word has spread around school... I'm the only teacher that doesn't seem to suffer with this now ;D
I have to say that I find both American and Australian English have enhanced the language in many ways, and there are many wonderful (and sometimes rather colourful) idioms from both Stateside and Down Under that I personally love, and frequently use ;D
But that said I'll still beat a student to death with a copy of the Complete Works of Shakespeare for bad spelling :o ;D :o
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Re: English Language

Postby Felix/FFDS » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:40 am

To add to the thread, I think that English is not the only language suffering from incorrect and/or improper usage.  I'm confident that examples can be shown from Spanish, French, German, and others.
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Re: English Language

Postby eno » Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:34 pm

Too finiesh this threed aff all i hav to say iz.

it orta be tort proper

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Re: English Language

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:12 pm

I'm not liking this. Going by what Hagars links say it seems that everyone who does A-levels is incabable of writing or speaking properly. If Hagars quotes are true then I would be an A grade student right across the board. But i'm not. So either I can't write/speak english or the students of today are doing far better than the're given credit for.
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Re: English Language

Postby Hagar » Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:25 pm

I think you're missing the point Woody. By lowering the standards they're devaluing the exam to a point where it's not worth taking it. Now you're an intelligent chap & I would expect you to do well. Imagine how you would feel if by studying & working hard you achieved a 95% pass in an important exam & someone you know who put far less work into it scraped through with 45%. You both get an A grade. :o

How is an employer or university to tell the difference? A 96% pass rate looks fine on paper but anyone who believes that educational standards have impoved that much over a couple of years is living in Cloud Cuckoo land. ::)

PS. By these standards I would have got 9 straight A's in my GCE O-levels when in fact I got 3.
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Re: English Language

Postby Felix/FFDS » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:28 pm

PS. By these standards I would have got 9 straight A's in my GCE O-levels when in fact I got 3.


I knew English is a funny language. Lookit Hagars qwote.  I wunder whot it sez?
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Re: English Language

Postby Hagar » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:08 am

[quote]I knew English is a funny language. Lookit Hagars qwote.
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Re: English Language

Postby Saitek » Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:26 am

nofink. ;)

My Dad used to say to me about my English pronounciation if I said something wrong or in 'bad English':
"Speak proper like what I does!"  ::)

A gentle reminder - and it has stuck with me.  ;D

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Re: English Language

Postby Felix/FFDS » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:00 am

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I knew English is a funny language. Lookit Hagars qwote.
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Re: English Language

Postby Hagar » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:40 am

Actually, and this should probably be the subject of another thread, since I have not a clue on the English educational system so, what are "GCE "O-level" exams and such?

Well, it's like this ya see me ol' china. Bein' the old fogey wot I am, way back in 'istory, when evryfing was done proper like, there woz this exam named the General Certificate of Education or GCE for short. Now this 'ere GCE was taken in two diffrent stages, the Ordinary Level or "O-level" & the Advanced Level or "A-level". They went & messed all this up some time back & the old O-level is now called the GCSE (no idea wot the S means). They retained the A-level element but, from wot I can make out, in name only. I never understood why they went & changed it cos it woz fine just as it woz. ::) ???
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Re: English Language

Postby Felix/FFDS » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:45 am

Well, it's like this ya see me ol' china. Bein' the old fogey wot I am, way back in 'istory, when evryfing was done proper like, there woz this exam named the General Certificate of Education or GCE for short. Now this 'ere GCE was taken in two diffrent stages, the Ordinary Level or "O-level" & the Advanced Level or "A-level". They went & messed all this up some time back & the old O-level is now called the GCSE (no idea wot the S means). They retained the A-level element but, from wot I can make out, in name only. I never understood why they went & changed it cos it woz fine just as it woz. ::) ???



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Re: English Language

Postby Rifleman » Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:15 pm

Right then........'ere wuh go.......... ::)

This is reel English, the way me Mam give us a few speakin lessuns.....

;D

;D........this may be a bit tee much fre everyone....... ;D
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Re: English Language

Postby Hagar » Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:26 pm

Right then........'ere wuh go.......... ::)

This is reel English, the way me Mam give us a few speakin lessuns.....

;D

LOL ;D Geordie is like a foreign language. I have a job understanding it so what chance have our cousins from across the water? They all seem to think we speak like the Beatles or Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins. :D
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Re: English Language

Postby Felix/FFDS » Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:27 pm

LOL ;D Geordie is like a foreign language. I have a job understanding it so what chance have our cousins from across the water? They all seem to think we speak like the Beatles or Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins. :D



I was thinking more Sean Connery and Roger Moore...
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