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[Craig.]

here is the basic warp formula for enterprise D(the greatest ship in my opinion).

At the beginning of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Gene Roddenberry said he wanted to change the warp-speed scale to put warp 10 at the absolute top of the scale. ...The warp scale has been recalibrated so that all the speeds shown in the original show are "actually" less than warp 10. Interestingly, the original Star Trek series never established actual speeds for warp factors in any episode or movie, although the old warp factor cubed formula has come to be generally accepted.

Summary warp speed chart for Starship Enterprise, NCC-1701D

where c = 1078 million km/h

Speed Description

Standard orbit 9600 km/h (SUBLIGHT)
Full impulse 0.25c (SUBLIGHT)
Warp factor 1 1c
Warp factor 2 10c
Warp factor 3 39c
Warp factor 4 102c
Warp factor 5 214c
Warp factor 6 392c
Warp factor 7 656c
Warp factor 8 1024c
Warp factor 9 1516c
Warp factor 9.2 1649c
Warp factor 9.6 1909c
Warp factor 9.9 3053c
Warp factor 9.99 7912c
Warp factor 9.9999  199516c
Warp factor 10 infinite
Warp factor 14.1 improbable

This speed is meaningless - since a starship at Warp 10 would occupy all points in the universe simultaneously. see also:

[HawkerTempest5]

Well, Craig beat me to it, but I spent a couple of hours finding my Encyclopedia, so I'm going to give my scale in MPH!

Warp 1 = 670 Million MPH (Light x1)
Warp 2 = 7 Billion MPH (Light x 10)
Warp 3 = 26 Billion MPH (Light x 39)
Warp 4 = 68 Billion MPH (Light x 102)
Warp 5 = 143 Billion MPH (Light x 214)
Warp 6 = 263 Billion MPH (Light x 392)
Warp 7 = 439 Billion MPH (Light x 656)
Warp 8 = 686 Billion MPH (Light x 1024)
Warp 9 = 102 Trillion MPH (Light x 1,516)
Warp 9.9 = 2.04 Trillion MPH (Light x 3,053)
Warp 9.999 etc = 134 Trillion MPH (Light x 199,516)
Warp 10 = Infinite!

Don't blame me if it makes no sence, I copied it right out of the book so blame Michael Okuda!!

[Craig.]

in some ways yours makes more sence as it gives the speeds exactly as they are no need to go about working them out:)

[phil509]

Isn't it true that when warp 10 is exceded,time reverses?I.E.,the "slingshot"effect;and what about when the Kelvins seized the Enterprise,and exceded warp 13 on the way to Andromeda?Is this descrepancy due to the difference in calibration charts,as above mentioned?Please elaborate.

[HawkerTempest5]

Isn't it true that when warp 10 is exceded,time reverses?I.E.,the "slingshot"effect;and what about when the Kelvins seized the Enterprise,and exceded warp 13 on the way to Andromeda?Is this descrepancy due to the difference in calibration charts,as above mentioned?Please elaborate.

I'll have to check Star Trek 4, but I think the sling shot took place at about Warp 9.6. I'll check tomorrow because It's late here now!
The Warp scale was redrawn for TNG with Warp 10 the maximum and the TOS speed of Warp 14 was said to be about Warp 8 on the new scale.
Of Course, Transwarp and Quatum Slip Stream are faster, but that's for another day, I'm tired and I want to go to bed.
Number One, you have the Bridge!

[phil509]

Very well,Captain.May I suggest a nightcap of Sorrian brandy?I aquired some at that last seizure from the Ferengi. "Its green!" :-/ :-/

[Professor Brensec]

Thank you Craig and Hawker.  ;)

This is valuable to me. I'm involved in an exercise at the moment for which this will make aprt of the job easier. more about it, one day.

As for the Transwarp method of travel (as used by the Borg). I believe this is a "conduit" which exists in subspace and serves as a "portal" (for want of a better word to transport a vessel from one point to another without actually covering the distance, as such. Much the same as a "worm hole" does. In the case of the Borg, they have an entire network of these 'conduits covering the galaxy.
Apparently, you can't just exit a conduit at any time. You have to follow it to it's "destination". Once again, much like a "worm hole". Although I seem to recall an event or two where a vessel has "dropped" out of a conduit, but my recollection suggests it is a very dangerous occurence.

I have one small problem with the Warp scale. As I said before, and this may just be due to bad writing on the part of the Paramount people.
Voyager was definitely sent 75,000 light years from home. Many times the return journey was calculated to take 75 years at "maximum Warp" (and this is further supported by the appropriate adjustments as time passes or they gain a large distance by way of Kes' Gift of 10 light years etc.)

This being the case, I would assume maximum warp (for Voyager at 9.995) to be around 1000c. The chart does not reflect this.
In fact, at Voyagers maximum warp (say 9.9 - which is less than they quote) it would be 3053c, in which case the journey would be approx. 30% of the 75 years the keep mentioning.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........................

P.S. I'm not 100% sure of the top speed of Voyager, I'll check, but i'm sure it's either 9.95 or 9.995 or 9.975. In any event, the 9.9 (3053c) is within their capability.

[Professor Brensec]

[quote]here is the basic warp formula for enterprise D(the greatest ship in my opinion).

At the beginning of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Gene Roddenberry said he wanted to change the warp-speed scale to put warp 10 at the absolute top of the scale. ...The warp scale has been recalibrated so that all the speeds shown in the original show are "actually" less than warp 10. Interestingly, the original Star Trek series never established actual speeds for warp factors in any episode or movie, although the old warp factor cubed formula has come to be generally accepted.

Summary warp speed chart for Starship Enterprise, NCC-1701D

where c = 1078 million km/h

Speed Description

Standard orbit 9600 km/h (SUBLIGHT)
Full impulse 0.25c (SUBLIGHT)
Warp factor 1 1c
Warp factor 2 10c
Warp factor 3 39c
Warp factor 4 102c
Warp factor 5 214c
Warp factor 6 392c
Warp factor 7 656c
Warp factor 8 1024c
Warp factor 9 1516c
Warp factor 9.2 1649c
Warp factor 9.6 1909c
Warp factor 9.9 3053c
Warp factor 9.99 7912c
Warp factor 9.9999

[denishc]

Yo Hawker Temoest 5,
 Thanks for setting us straight on the T'Pol character, but too bad they're not one in the same.  It would have been one hell of a tie in.  Oh well, at least that's one less thing on my mind and now I can sleep peacefully at night.

[Craig.]

the borgs slipstreams can actually be diverted but doing so, would cause a ship to be thrown from the slipstream something like 5 10 seconds later. as happend to voyager in that episode where they got buired under ice.
and voyagers top speed is 9.975. remember there wasnt a dircet passage to earth from their starting position so they added into account those on the time frames.

[Professor Brensec]

So what your saying, Craig is that the 75,000 light years is the distance "as the crow flies", but Voyager had to go around such things as Nebulae, The Necrid Expanse etc (although I think they went thru that, but you get the idea).
How did they know what obstacles would have caused them to divert etc, before they reached them.
I always thought of any distance, and consequent estimated time to cover, in Star Trek as a straight line from point a to point b.
As I understand it, while at Warp, obstacles don't get in the way. (One example is Worfs' brothers escape from an attacking Klingon ship during the Klingon War, where he heads for the Sun and goes to Warp just as the ship is about to break up).
I may be wrong. My understanding of Warp theory is a bit lacking compared to some Trekkies.
Still you have to admit, it's great fun talking about it.  ;D

[Craig.]

if you get a chance to check out the voyager elite force game it shows it as a direct route. but there are many obsticals in the way like you said.
the thing with warp is it cant be used in solar systems as you dont go through obsticals  and at warp a ship cant be turned so if a planet is in the way you go splat, as for how they knew what things were in the way, it started with neelix who knew upto that one nebula then he went onto get the map while getting into a ton of trouble with janeway, then they used maps from other cultures to
and then of coarse they came across omega which made an entire area of space unusable at anything more than impulse

[HawkerTempest5]

I must admit I take all this Warp theory with a huge pinch of salt and I think the writers do too.
You are quite correct brensec pal in that Voyager was 75,000 Light Years from home and it would take 75 years to get home, but I always just thought as Craig said that the actual path back to the Alpha quadrant was not a direct line. I don't think a vessel could travel through the Galactic core for one thing.
As far as Transwarp goes, yes it is a short cut through Sub Space, but if you also remember Star Fleet tried a Transwarp experiment with the Excelsior back in the 23rd century and that is said to have failed. Also, Tom Paris modified a Voyager Shuttle to travel at Transwarp speed without using a conduit. I always take Transwarp to mean faster than warp 10, however in Borg terms it does mean traveling through sub space.

[Craig.]

the one thing i dont understand is voyager had to travel through the gamma quadrent before entering the alpha quadrent and the route was only a few light years away from the DS9 wormhole, so why they didnt ever include it in the plan i dont know, ok cardassian space was also there but it would have been a small problem to cut 15 years off the trip time.

[Craig.]

ok after doing some further research into the voyager thingy apparently after they return home janeway apparently is promoted to admiral while picard is overlooked for the promotion. which really annoys me as then janeway gives picard orders to goto into the heart of the romulan empire with the enterprise(is that for the new movie)?? i personally dont think she should have been given it before picard as he has done so many more important things, he found kirk when they thought he was dead, he prepaired starfleet for the borg he dealt with the Q he even went further into outer space than janeway and voyager in the traveller episode where they were taken to a point where the universe hadnt even been formed yet.
i think she was just ticked that he was given the best ship starfleet had going in both the D and E models of the enterprise, i mean D was the best ship going and is prob the best ship for battle as it has unmatched weaponary especially after the upgrades for the dominion war. and the Enterprise E, what can be said other than unbelievable, quantom torpedos, new sheilding unmatched power for travel in someways its invincible:) thats why she gave him those orders :-/
as for tuvoks wife from earlier question hr name was T'pel