Behave when reading this!

[Hagar]

[quote]Pure natural evolution occurs under what is called "natural selection."

[RichieB16]

I think this has only been regarded as traditional since Charles Darwin published his "Origin of Species" theory in 1859. http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species/
This caused a lot of controversy as it did not fit with many people's strongly held beliefs & it was some time before it was generally accepted as the current theory. If this "Intelligent Design" theory had been announced at the same time it's quite possible that it would now be the accepted theory. Neither can be proved or disproved so they will remain theories.

Your probably right that if intellegent design had been announced at the same time, it may have actually been accepted.

[Hagar]

Especially since one of the biggest reasons Darwin's theory was so contraversial was because it went against the primary religious beliefs (which is why he didn't publish until be absoluetly had to).

Interesting to consider that if you could put the clock back the people now objecting to the latest theory would probably have been the strongest opponents of the currently accepted one.

[Flt.Lt.Andrew]

Darwin's theory of evolution doesnt contradict Gensis or Christian thinking.

I wont elaborate, you can PM me if you want.

But yeah Omag, intelligent design is an attempt to bring God back into schools which is a good thing.

The whole pledge of Allegiance thing in America is a bit like the German students having to say their Heil Hitlers every morning ( or whatever relevant oath- it did happen apparently).


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[Fly2e]

The whole pledge of Allegiance thing in America is a bit like the German students having to say their Heil Hitlers every morning ( or whatever relevant oath- it did happen apparently).  
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Why did you need to end it like this.  ::)

Great conversation, interesting thoughts, diverse views,.......

Keep it that with with respect to others!  8)

If you think you may be bordering "Politics or Religion".....
You probably are so don't post it!  ;)

Peace & Love during this Holiday Season....  :-*  :P

Dave

[beefhole]

But yeah Omag, intelligent design is an attempt to bring God back into schools which is a good thing.

I was kind of eyeing that part myself Dave

These threads have absolutely nowhere to go but down unfortunately, even though Kris' intentions were completely honorable.  

People either A/Can't hold their tongues or B/don't realise that maybe not everyone agrees with them and they shouldn't bring something up.

[RichieB16]

Interesting to consider that if you could put the clock back the people now objecting to the latest theory would probably have been the strongest opponents of the currently accepted one.

I was actually thinking the same thing.  It's amazing to see how much the world has changed in the last 150 years not just in technology but in the way the people of the world think.

[Katahu]

I think this whole political fuss about evolutionism, creationism, intelligentism is a waste of time. Eventually, we youngsters learn the rest of the things by using the one tool we cherish the most: Television.

*Katahu grabs the remote and sits on his couch while watching the Discovery Channel*

PS: Sometimes, we have over 200 channels and nothing good to watch.

[BFMF]

PS: Sometimes, we have over 200 channels and nothing good to watch.

And in the off chance that there is more than one good show on simultaneously, it doesn't do you any good anyway

Even with the 6 channels we get in our area, it's amazing how often people can argue over it...

[TacitBlue]

Speaking of which, I've recvently given up TV, except for the occasional local news when I'm in the mood.

I'll not share my opinions on "intelligent design". The quotation marks should give you a clue. This is my one and only post in this thread. Thank you, good night.

[H]

In school I was only presented with evolutionary teaching, which I cannot determine to be intelligent or not. With what proof I do have at hand, there is great doubt cast on intelligent redesign. We'll try to refrain from ascertaining intelligence or the lack thereof in this post (or, at least, ignore it).

[Omag 2.0]

Who is this 'Sgt Omag' anyway? Is it your other personality, someone you know, or is this username completely unrelated to yours???

It's my dark alter ego!  ;D

[H]

It's [Sgt.Omag] my dark alter ego!  ;D

Is he still in his infancy?

[Politically Incorrect]

Thats not correct.  Intellenegent Design is simply a somewhat alternate view on evolution basically.  

No what Woody states is absolutly correct.

Intellegent Design takes this and removes the random element.  Basically those who promote intellegent design don't disagree with evolution, but they feel that someone or something (God) guided the evolutionary process.

The pollitically correct term would be "Higher Being" with no "specific" background, but only one must be a moron not to clearly see it the way it is meant to be understood.

The problem here is people spending to much time forceing thier opinions in our schools, the only way to teach anything that pertains to  where we come from, or how we got here is to teach both sides, evolution and Genesis (Intelligent Design). but that will never happen.so the only thing I can see to solve any debate is to remove both theories completely from our public schools.
You want to learn a specific therory then you must attend a private school or University.

Seems to me there are many more important things that our schools need to be focused on, when it comes to the educational value they are suppose to provide, pollitical correctness and the fear of offending has diminished our educational status greatly, schools  are pumping out more "puppets" than educated individuals with the ability to make thier own decisions, and to utilize the power of thier own mind without outside influance.

There is no longer the option of "two sides to the story", people are afraid to make thier own descisions based on research and facts.

My opinion is plain and simple, you either teach both theories or none at all.

[RichieB16]

What seems to be the problem here is that people are confusing intellegent design and Genesis.  The book of Gensis depicts to world being created as it is now, with humans and other present beings by God out of nothing.  Therefore, according to this story, there was no era before man-no time of the dynosaurs or simular times when human's didn't exist.

Intellengent design is not this, therefore it is not Genesis.  All it does is make it so those who are religious have a way to look at scientific findings without it destroying their beliefs.  It simply puts an intellegence behind life saying that some being must have directed the evolutionary path.  There no is creation in 6 days, no Adam & Eve, it is simply not Genesis.

I'm not going to get in an arguement about my personal beliefs on this topic because religious topics are forbidden around here.  All I want to do is state the facts and have a normal discussion about it like we were having until a few posts ago.  If that is not possible, then this thread should probably be locked.