Ozzy Heaven!!!

[Smoke2much]

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[ozzy72]

My style suits Spitfires, no question.
However having been involved with this Hurricane project with Whitey has given me greater insight into the plane, and perhaps a little more affection for aviations answer to Quasimodo.
I was amazed reading up about the construction techniques involved, no welds! An amazingly rugged aircraft that I used in a serious scrap this morning in CFS3, my wingman went down in about 30 seconds (hit the silk though), so I had 3 109s and 2 88s to deal with, and she came out like a champ! Even though I was hit about 40 times (those 109s are a lot quicker to catch up when you aren't in a Spit , so I'll have to re-work my techniques a tad!) she still got me home.
The Hurricane, the Land Rover of WWII aviation!

Ozzy

PS. Will did you ever see a BBC program called Over Here? Its about the Americans arriving in Britain during WWII, its great (oh and features lots of lovely Spitfire IXs ) as well as a really funny bit with a B17.

[Smoke2much]

I've not seen it, but it sounds funny.

Will

[ozzy72]

My style suits Spitfires, no question.
However having been involved with this Hurricane project with Whitey has given me greater insight into the plane, and perhaps a little more affection for aviations answer to Quasimodo.
I was amazed reading up about the construction techniques involved, no welds! An amazingly rugged aircraft that I used in a serious scrap this morning in CFS3, my wingman went down in about 30 seconds (hit the silk though), so I had 3 109s and 2 88s to deal with, and she came out like a champ! Even though I was hit about 40 times (those 109s are a lot quicker to catch up when you aren't in a Spit , so I'll have to re-work my techniques a tad!) she still got me home.
The Hurricane, the Land Rover of WWII aviation!

Ozzy

That's why the Hurricane suits me. I like to out turn the other bloke/blokes. Especially a 109, he loses too much speed in a turn and will stall easily, but the Hurricane can just keep going round in circles all day, even at partial throttle..
I have often got 2 or three 109s to stall and destroy themselves just by trying to either catch me in a turn or evade my catching them, without firing a shot - just stay out of the way of those cannon! And don't try to run away.

(If you do have to retire and your planes not too badly shot up. You can sucker the AI blokes to come in real close behind (they usually wait till about 300 - 400 yds before they have a go) and do a really sharp, fast Immelman and end up getting the 109 chasing you. If he's a bit dumb.

[HawkerTempest5]

I think I've made this point before, but here goes again. What stood the Spit apart from the Hurricane in the long run was the fact that the Spitfire had development potential and the Hurricane was essentially not upgadeable beyond the fitting of an all metal wing and better weapons.
After 1941 when the RAF went on the offencive the Hurricane began to adopt a new roll of fighter bomber/ground attack and in North Africa and the Pacific theater it excelled in this roll untill the end of the war. The Spit went on to become Britains main frount line fighter and stayed in production beyond the end of WW2. The Spit was never able to truly take on the ground attack roll and it's short range was it's biggest shortcomming, but as an out and out dogfighter it was perhapse without equal.

[ATI_7500]

need anyone on the "evil" side?
-yeah? good.....

hurricanes and spits - british c**p ! 109s and 190s - german quality work!

*puts on his wehrmacht helmet*
*ducks and runs away*

[N505AF]

brensec thats a great little show you got going on at the bottom of you post...

[ozzy72]

I agree with your analysis, Hawker. And am well aware of your thoughts in this area................lol

But for the purpose of this discussion I think the thread has developed into a BoB era only look at the two planes, at least in terms of their contribution

[Hagar]

need anyone on the "evil" side?
-yeah? good.....

hurricanes and spits - british c**p ! 109s and 190s - german quality work!

*puts on his wehrmacht helmet*
*ducks and runs away*

LOL I love it ATI. Who said Germans have no sense of humour? Oops..........! My turn to duck & run away.


PS. On the subject of Hurricane vs Spitfire. The Hurricane was a traditional development of earlier designs by the same design team. You can clearly see its lineage from the classic Sidney Camm biplanes like the Hawker Fury. It was not developed further as such but by the same process the company produced a long line of successful fighters. These include the Typhoon, Tempest & fantastic Sea Fury, itself influenced by the Fw 190. The beautiful Sea Hawk was basically the jet version of the Sea Fury. Add swept wings & you get the Hunter & so on. The ultimate achievement of the Camm team was & is the amazing Harrier.

The Spitfire was a brillliant one-off work of genius, a revolutionary design no doubt influenced by the He 70. The basic design was capable of continuous development throughout WWII but this had to reach a peak at some point. This came at the end of hostilities at the time when jets were taking over. Its successor, the Spiteful, did not have the handling qualities of the Spit & its jet version, the Attacker was a failure. As I mentioned in another thread, Supermarine never repeated their success with jets.

[HawkerTempest5]

[quote]I agree with your analysis, Hawker. And am well aware of your thoughts in this area................lol

But for the purpose of this discussion I think the thread has developed into a BoB era only look at the two planes, at least in terms of their contribution

[ozzy72]

ATI err two things;
1)Aren't you meant to be in Holland drowning yourself or sailing or somesuch (re-enactment of the Bismark?)? Not doing a tour in your Panzer
2)Err didn't your side end up being the runner-up?
I'm off to practice my Basil Fawlty walk and find some marmalade to put on ATIs house.
Oh and your first stunt lesson will be conducted in a Spitfire, just to teach you some respect young man

Ozzy

PS. Do you really think just a helmet and Reeboks is enough to save you from my terrible wrath?

[ozzy72]

Shhhhhhhhhh, everybody. While ATI is around...........(in a whisper)Don't mention the War..............OK.



(I kill me!)

[HawkerTempest5]

Don't mention the War..............

I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it

[Whitey]

Ermm...last I heard the Defiants and the Blenheims got a pasting whenever they got airborne...not much of a help.  But the Defiant was said to be the ebst 1918 fighter in the world!  It couldn't even shoot forward!  The Germans had to be nice enough to fly along side for the gunner to get a shot.  What a joke...

[ozzy72]

You started it!
No we didn't!
Yes you did, you invaded Poland!!!!

Actually if any of you have the most recently release videos of Fawlty Towers you'll find there are snippets of an interview with John Cleese in between episodes, and he is talking about 'The Germans' in one and says that whilst in a hotel in Germany one morning the concierge yelled out "Hey Mr. Cleese, don't mention ze var!"