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Re: Brake Fail

Postby expat » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:06 pm

Here in Germany, we never use the hand brake (parking brake) when the car is parked, the car is left in gear. It is regarded as as an emergency brake. As with most of these, they are cable and cables when used over time stretch and then don't work and will end up failing the TÜV (MOT). Most people test them every now and then to make sure it works. With my BMW, there are separate brake shoes for this brake. They act on the drive shafts and not the disk.

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Re: Brake Fail

Postby H » Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:07 am

Fozzer wrote:Does that mean that American vehicles do not have a hand-operated "Parking Brake" (similar to the Parking Brake on aircraft) ...and only rely on either chocking the wheels, or placing the vehicle into gear (low gear) when stationary?
In addition to the foot brake pedal, all British vehicles have a hand-operated Parking Brake, with a trigger latch, (or twist) to lock it firmly into place.
I have an idea that the British driving test recommends applying the parking brake if the vehicle is to be stopped for a short period...traffic lights, traffic queue, etc,....

Hagar wrote:It's just that I'm not familiar with the term 'emergency brake'. Like Fozzer I'm still confused.

Originally, there were only standard shift vehicles with parking brakes. Eventually, there were automatic shift vehicles; here in the U.S. the automatic shift vehicles soon well out-numbered standard shift vehicles. Then, placing the shift lever in 'Park' automatically locked the transmission in automatic vehicles; the parking brake was (is) rarely engaged with these vehicles except under special circumstances so they are sometimes called 'emergency' brakes.


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Re: Brake Fail

Postby Fozzer » Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:22 am

H wrote:
Originally, there were only standard shift vehicles with parking brakes. Eventually, there were automatic shift vehicles; here in the U.S. the automatic shift vehicles soon well out-numbered standard shift vehicles. Then, placing the shift lever in 'Park' automatically locked the transmission in automatic vehicles; the parking brake was (is) rarely engaged with these vehicles except under special circumstances so they are sometimes called 'emergency' brakes.


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Most American vehicles are equipped with automatic gear boxes, locking the transmission in the "Park" position?
......whereas in the UK I suspect that the majority of vehicles are fitted with manual gear boxes, and the separate parking brake lever operates on the rear wheel brakes via Bowden Cable.

I am guessing that most American Big-rig trucks (18-wheeler Ken Worth, Mack, Cat, Peterbilt, etc,) are fitted with multi-ratio (12+ gear ratios) manual gearboxes, and if so, what alternative method, (apart from locking the gearbox by some method?), do they use to prevent the vehicle from moving, when stopped and parked (eg: on an incline)?

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Re: Brake Fail

Postby Hagar » Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:50 am

Fozzer wrote:I am guessing that most American Big-rig trucks (18-wheeler Ken Worth, Mack, Cat, Peterbilt, etc,) are fitted with multi-ratio (12+ gear ratios) manual gearboxes, and if so, what alternative method, (apart from locking the gearbox by some method?), do they use to prevent the vehicle from moving, when stopped and parked (eg: on an incline)?

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Re: Brake Fail

Postby BLAZE » Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:03 am

" Emergency Air Brakes complement standard air-brake systems and can be activated by pulling a button on the dash (near the one with the light that we saw in the introduction). Before you can drive a vehicle with air brakes, you must push in the emergency brake button to fill the system with air. As long as the emergency system is pressurized, the emergency brake will remain free. If the system has a leak, the pressure can decrease enough to engage the emergency brake. In addition, heavy trucks are often equipped with an exhaust brake that aids the braking process, but this relies on the engine, not the air-brake system."
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I've often wondered about the "safety" of the type air brake system that automatically locks the emergency/parking brakes when the air pressure reaches
the critical low level.*Some systems are like that, some are not. Not all the trucks I drove would pop the E-Brake botton when the air was low. Like that ford
9000 dump truck, it got so low that I had no brakes at all and the button never popped. *Now I think this is right. I could be wrong and it could have
just been a malfuction in the system somewhere.

The reason I wonder about its safeness is, what if your driving in snowy conditions and your busy looking at the road ahead and if the air pressure buzzer
fails to warn you that your getting low on pressure and your E-brake botton pops locking up all your wheels? You would be up shit creek without a paddle!

Your 18-wheels just turned into 18-ice skates. :o I've never heard of this happening. So I don't know, just something I've wondered about. :think:
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Re: Brake Fail

Postby Fozzer » Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:34 am

The shenanigans of the "Ice Road Truckers", and their 18-wheelers, on the Discovery Channel etc, is always fun/educational to watch!

I love watching them playing tunes on their manual, multi-gear, gearboxes, and having problems with their frozen air brake systems!

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Re: Brake Fail

Postby BLAZE » Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:02 am

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Re: Brake Fail

Postby H » Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:20 am

Fozzer wrote:...in the UK ...the separate parking brake lever operates on the rear wheel brakes via Bowden Cable.
Just to update you, with many (if not most) U.S. passenger vehicles the parking/emergency brake is cabled to all four wheels.


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