Why I don't believe in ET...

[Wing Nut]

Before I even type a word on this subject, everyone needs to remember to play nice on the subject.

[Cobra]

hmmm yeh but thats like saying why do people go looking for new species of animals etc on our own planet. Its to gain a better understanding of the world around us...

+ how are our little alien friends gonna know how primative we are until they get here ? telescope?

[Fozzer]

...has all this deep examination of the meaning of life, (and everything), occurred since the great explosion, and the subsequent move to Florida, Kev...?

...there has to be a link somewhere... ...!

Paul..... ... ...!

[Omag 2.0]

Hmm... personally I think this is a pretty onesided view...

Why wouldn't other intelligent species be curious about us? Like we would be about them!

But I do agree the chances of a meet and great are slim at best... If the technology existed, we should have seen something by now I guess...

But I do think contact could be possible one day... by radiowaves... at least if someone out there has the same type of technology as we do...

But on the other hand... they might be here allready, but our little minds aren't powerful enough to "understand" them... much like a bird that's sitting on a telephone pole, but that doesn't grasp where it came from or what it does...

Cheers,

Omag... somewhere out "there"  ;D

[Woodlouse2002]

Have you seen a spaceship Kevin and are now trying to convince yourself that you couldn't possibly have...

[Fozzer]

Have you seen a spaceship Kevin and are now trying to convince yourself that you couldn't possibly have...

I think it's only a temporary aberration due to the coming week-end, Woody.
Hopefully, by Monday morning, everything will be back to normal again......!

..but I do feel that our old mate Omag is being sucked unwittingly into a Black Hole... ...!

Paul... ...!

[ozzy72]

In the words of the Monty Python song "Pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cos there's bugger all down here on Earth"

[Chris_F]

Our current understanding of physics is that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.  And humans have yet to observe anything, sub atomic particle nor space ship, which has traveled faster than the speed of light.  It is possible we don't fully understand this aspect of the universe, however it would be very unlikely IMO that we got it so wrong on this point.  Usually something as well founded as Enistein's relativity is refined upon as our understanind improves, not totally revised.  Heck, Newton's good ol' F=MA is still valid, just not totally accurate in extreme cases.

So if we believe Einstein, then truely nothing can travel faster than light.  It's not a technological barrier we're talking about, it's a physical one: the physics of the unverse just don't allow for travel faster than light.  No technology can find a way around a physical barrier like that.  Supernovae don't produce enough energy to make it happen, black holes don't produce enough energy to make it happen (based on observations of both), because it can't happen.  It's not possible.

If real things are limited by the speed of light then the travel time for something to get from the nearest star to earth is something like hundreds of thousands of years (forget the exact distance).  That is assuming that the alien technology is so advanced that they can actually approach the speed of light (supernovae and black holes can only manage to get sub atomic particles up to these velocities, not macroscopic objects), and that's a BIG "if".

So if an alien has visited earth, he's been sitting in a space ship for hundreds of thousands of years.  I simply don't see any alien species making that kind of investment.  I know we humans sure wouldn't.

But radio contact?  Unlikely but possible.  Radio communication?  The time from broadcast to receipt is simply too long.  If it happens we'll never know about it in this lifetime.

[alrot]

There is absolutley no reason for any species capable of traversing the vast distances between stars to be interested in us.

This is the may key of why I don't belive in ET neither,nothig alive can't travel even to a 10% of the speed of the light ,well it can, but will die, the worm holes are therys from einstein-rossen to determinate a mistery in a quamtum teory as the taquions particles a bunches of theorys to find out a quamtum mistery, wich later Bell's theorem fits better.Remember Alpha _Beta Centaury are the closest star to us ,only 4.5 light years away to reach it in the humand  posibility,It should take 10.000 years...

But,I can not denied that there's a mistery in all of this,there are too many withneses,too many thing strange things,in all of this UFOS,..you know once I think perhaps they are us traveling thru the past,Outrageus ,isn't it  :P, But check out in mesures the distances among stars,you,ll find out that said they are comimg from the space to us is more absurd..

[alrot]

[quote]Our current understanding of physics is that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.

[Brett_Henderson]

Think about the technological leap that took barely 150 years to happen.

From nothing but a fireplace for energy in a log cabin.. TO.. a house that gets energy deliverd to it, by wire, from a power-plant that has harnessed  the split atom  :o

I don't believe that the speed of light can even be approached. I think that that barrier is as carved in stone as much as basic math tells you that two of something is more than one of something. BUT.. I do believe gradual travel across the galaxy is possible. A sort of, colonization on millenia scales.

I do believe that we could, with today's technology, built a craft that could travel through space, almost indefinately. It would have to be a HUGE, self-sustaining "bioshpere", picking up enough introduced energy from a combination of atomic reactors and solar panels to keep the life-cycle going. It could coast along through space; picking up a gravitational boost, now and then... occasionally re-vectoring itself (when accumulated energy allowed).

Considereing though, that it would be thousands of years before they'd reach another solar system (maybe only hundreds of years to reach Proxima Centauri).. and we'd be completey out of touch with them (can you imagine, in the year 4006, someboby sending a radio message and then leaving the logbook entry so that his great grandson will know what response to be listening for, and when to expect it  ::) ).. it really wouldn't matter.

It's fun to think about, though  :D

[alrot]

Yes Brett , amazing, I respect your opinion
Unfortualy there's no barrier  :-[ Its a phisical law (Inside of our universe)  :D who knows maybe in the future we may be able to handle our own universe ,scape from it for a seconds then apears in other place and diferent time,Like in star trek with the buble "Warp"...Subspace, avoid distaces,would be great  ;D

[ozzy72]

There are two things that I know are faster than light;
bad news
Fozzer on his big Honda when there is a special offer on Californian wines at Sainsbury

[beaky]

Einstein's tiny portion (E=MC2) of the Special Theory (not "Law", but "Theory") of Relativity and everything else aside, we won't know for sure if the speed of light is the absolute limit until we try it.
Wouldn't be the first time empirical science proved theorists wrong: at one time it was believed that an aircraft approaching Mach 1 would produce infinite drag. They were on the right track, but obviously way off- didn't realize that the

[Brett_Henderson]

Ummm.. I guess this would be a good time to post about the UFO that I  DID "see"..

November, 1882. Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Heading west on US2, just east of the town, Naubinway.

What first looked like a WINGLESS  B-29 (big, rounded tail), but with a fuselage more football shaped, passed over the highway, about 1/8 mile in front of me, flying south (out over the lake) at about 200agl. The highway there parallels the shore-line of Lake Michigan, with about 100 yards of pine forest between the highway and the shore.

There's a break in the tree line maybe another 1/8 mile from where it passed over.. so I pulled over; fully expecting to see something flying low, out over the water. It was moving WAY too slow to have gotten out of sight..  but there was absolutely NOTHING as far as the eye could see...  N O T H I N G  :o


Ok.. now that it's obvious that I'm nutty.. Have at me (I can take it)..