An Utter Disgrace

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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby ozzy72 » Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:18 am

Alas it is a sign of the times and the sickness of society as a whole. Everyone bleats on about their rights but very few consider their responsibilities.
As a teacher I know who is causing the trouble as I often have the little buggers given to me by colleagues who can't cope (I have a reputation for discipline that makes the Waffen SS look like the Girl Guides!).
I actually helped the police catch a grafitti artist the other day as I recognised the spelling mistake (I mean putting grafitti on the school was just dumb, especially in English when your command of the language is poor), told them who I thought it was and they searched his bag and found the offending can of spray paint! His parents now have to pay for the repainting of the damaged part of the school (not cheap at all ;D)
Until we actually instill discipline once more and make people take responsibility for their actions and stop crime from paying things will only get worse rather than better.

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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby Romulus111VADT » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:51 am

Part of the problem is the totally moronic way the school districts try to handle any given situation. Recently there was a 13 year old girl that was given 2 after school detentions for hugging a friend on school grounds. http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=133486

Per the school board, "No public displays of affection." So you can't show any form of human affection towards your classmates. Then they wonder why kids feel alienated and go nuts and start blowing away teachers and fellow classmates. If they expect kids to act like robots, they should expect some malfunctions.
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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby H » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:58 am

The further problem, somewhat refered to, is that the attitudes are bleeding into other areas as the generations progress. We have another thread about strange laws -- nothing compared to some more recent agendas, such as a current proposal; I can't be specific without hitting the political arena.
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...and, Romulus, she hugged two friends (one only a half-hug, to be honest). On her TV interview she said, "In sixth grade, at the same school, they told us 'Give hugs, not drugs'..." Oh, well, back to the drugs!?




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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby Romulus111VADT » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:15 am

The further problem, somewhat refered to, is that the attitudes are bleeding into other areas as the generations progress. We have another thread about strange laws -- nothing compared to some more recent agendas, such as a current proposal; I can't be specific without hitting the political arena.
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...and, Romulus, she hugged two friends (one only a half-hug, to be honest). On her TV interview she said, "In sixth grade, at the same school, they told us 'Give hugs, not drugs'..." Oh, well, back to the drugs!?




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This one couple that use to live in my area had been arrested for holding hands in public and kissing. Never mind the fact that they are married. Public Indecency was the charge. The charges were dropped.

The very same couple also spent 3 years fighting the state over spousal abuse charges. Seems the wife worked at a local "Shoe Show" and was behind the cash register. The counters were no less than 3 feet wide and the register platform was about 6 inches higher than the sales floor. This made it almost impossible for someone to reach across the counter and grab the salesperson and or money from the register when their backs were turned.

The husband was waiting on his wife to check out. They were picking on each other. He was standing outside the register area on the sales floor leaning against the counter. He playfully made a choking motion with his hands. Some old woman was passing by the store walking and called the police. He was arrested for spousal abuse and despite the wife's and others adamant comments that they were just playing, as well as her refusal to press charges, the states attorney proceeded to press charges anyway. The poor man spent several nights in jail, lost his job and was almost to the point of suicide after 3 years of fighting. The judge dropped the charges and reprimanded the states attorney for filing charges that were baseless (on hear say) and unfounded. No apology was offered nor any monetary compensation.

This couple moved to another state..... ::)

It amazes me how just one old hags testimony against a dozens others can warrant ruining a mans life.  :o
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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby Hagar » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:52 am

I'm not sure there is any single cause of this problem or a simple solution to it. That would depend a lot on the local circumstances. Behaviour & attitudes have changed a great deal during my lifetime & I have my own (strong) opinions on the subject. Most of my friends & my own daughter agree with me. I can only speak for my country but the main difference now is parental responsibility or complete lack of it. It's not fair to generalise but in many cases the kids doing this sort of thing are from dysfunctional families where the parents (or parent) have lost control over their offspring if they ever had it in the first place. Most of these things tend to happen in the early hours & one wonders what these children are doing out that late at night. Many of their parents have no respect for any form of authority so how can you expect their kids to be any different? This is learned from an early age & it's unreasonable to offload this responsibility onto the schools or blame the teachers.

Another thing that has changed is the community spirit. I've never visited Woodhall Spa where the Dambusters memorial is but it's a village in Lincolnshire. Like many similar villages this has grown considerably in recent years & will no longer be the tight community it once was. The memorial is apparently used as a meeting place for young people. I don't know when the photo was taken but from the condition it appears they treat it with respect.
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I don't know if this is the case here but most villages of any size once had their own village Bobby who lived in the community & was on call 24 hours a day. (Very much like the popular Heartbeat series on TV.) When I lived in the village of Sompting from 1968 - 1980 our local copper lived just round the corner from me & we used to chat over the garden fence. They knew all the suspicious characters & where they lived so if there was any trouble it could be instantly dealt with. They also knew all the local kids who were a little frightened of them. If you were caught doing something naughty it was usually dealt with on the spot with the threat of telling your Dad if you were caught doing it again. :o

Sadly the good old village Bobby is now a thing of the past & replaced by mobile police officers with no local knowledge controlled from a call centre sometimes many miles away. Even if they agree to turn out, by the time they arrive on the scene the offenders will be long gone. If you're lucky you might have a Community Support Officer on patrol. These have very limited powers & are usually on duty within office hours only. This is not when these offences occur so however keen & competent they might be they are completely useless.

I could go on but cannot see an immediate solution.
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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby C » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:20 pm

Another thing that has changed is the community spirit. I've never visited Woodhall Spa where the Dambusters memorial is but it's a village in Leicestershire.


Lincolnshire... ;)


Like many similar villages this has grown considerably in recent years & will no longer be the tight community it once was. The memorial is apparently used as a meeting place for young people.


Oddly though, being so close to RAF Coningsby and RAF Waddington there is still a decent service presence in the community there. With the memorial targeted I wouldn't be too surprised if this wasn't local "yoofs", but a misinformed person, may be even an adult trying to make a point and get publicity for their (misinformed) views...
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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby Hagar » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:39 pm

Another thing that has changed is the community spirit. I've never visited Woodhall Spa where the Dambusters memorial is but it's a village in Leicestershire.


Lincolnshire... ;)

Oops. :-[ I shall correct it forthwith if not sooner. :)

Oddly though, being so close to RAF Coningsby and RAF Waddington there is still a decent service presence in the community there. With the memorial targeted I wouldn't be too surprised if this wasn't local "yoofs", but a misinformed person, may be even an adult trying to make a point and get publicity for their (misinformed) views...

That's quite possible as I pointed out to cspyro. Unfortunately, as this thread demonstrates, young people usually get the blame whether they're responsible or not.
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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby H » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:06 pm

I'm not sure there is any single cause of this problem or a simple solution to it... ...I could go on but cannot see an immediate solution.
As populations have increased and resultant generations supercede, this is the progression (regression?) of things. I exist (I don't claim to 'live') near a town and county border, the central villiage of the next county town being closer, by half the distance, than that of the one by which I'm taxed; the report from this adjacent county town referenced to a special board meeting to address the problem of preteens loitering around areas of the central villiage along with older teens, some from other townships, past midnight. The concern is that these non-locals are introducing illicit actions, so an early curfew time is on their agenda. As was mentioned -- by you, as well -- who's minding the store? The many of these are preteens -- out after midnight...
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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby ozzy72 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:48 pm

It is something I've always said Doug (ever since entering teaching). The parents who care about their kids turn up at parents night and want to meet and talk to the teachers. The ones that don't give a monkeys have the problem kids 'cos the parents just don't care! And this is 100% THE truth.
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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby MWISimmer » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:40 pm

I took this photo in May of this year whilst visiting Kenley Aerodrome, watching the Air cadets glider training.

An immaculately kept memorial.

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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby C » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:41 pm

Kenley airfield is a wonderful place and a very nice memorial... :)
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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby Saitek » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:45 pm

Foz has some great ideas on dealing with those pinheads. 8-) Most of those idiots will probably regret what they have done what they get older and get a life. Unfortunately when one generation of idiots grows up another, more hardened, generation is already there taking their place. ::)
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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby MWISimmer » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:59 pm

Kenley airfield is a wonderful place and a very nice memorial... :)


Indeed it is, it's surprisingly peaceful and calm, even when the cadets are there
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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby Hagar » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:28 am

Kenley airfield is a wonderful place and a very nice memorial... :)


Indeed it is, it's surprisingly peaceful and calm, even when the cadets are there
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Re: An Utter Disgrace

Postby Tequila Sunrise » Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:06 pm

utterly disgusting.
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