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Re: General Aviation VS Airlines

Postby RitterKreuz » Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:02 pm

Fox is 100% correct.. when you own and pay for something you are fully responsable for its condition and therefore you work hard to take care of it, when you rent something,  the popular opinion is "damn the turbulence, full speed ahead!"

Example: brand new airplane... within two weeks someone had hand written their IFR clearance on the leather upholstry because they were too lazy to return to the FBO for a sheet of paper. I have been cought in that situation once... wrote it on my brand new khaki pants. Stain defenders... washed right out ;-) didnt ruin anything or cost anyone a dime.

As for completing your own maintenance, an aircraft owner can do just about anything that he wants maintenance-wise as long as complex assembly is not required... in greater detail the FAR/AIM lists about 30 or 40 things a pilot can do to his own aircraft that many owners simply elect to hire a mechanic to do.

If an owner was to leave the annuals and avionics and major repairs of his aircraft to the mechanics and handle his own minor maintenance needs (such as those listed in the regs) the only "cost" would be blood, sweat, toil and tears which is usually a helluva lot easier to secrete than money!!! Obviously he would have to buy or borrow parts or tools which any mechanic would charge you for anyway! You would be really quite suprised to see what the federal government trusts the average joe aircraft owner to maintain on his aircraft! some of the things are simple... others you had better know what you are doing!
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Re: General Aviation VS Airlines

Postby Meinas » Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:25 pm

boy, theres a lot of sucky pilots out there I guess, I always respect others property, specially when it could kill me whenever it wants to.....I'll give it a run for its money ;D

what ever happened to respect in this world ???
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Re: General Aviation VS Airlines

Postby IcedFoxtrotter » Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:44 pm

Guys, I've seen the results of lease-to and leaseback op's. Don't do it just....... it will most likely be a tearfull proces for you in the end. I'm sure you have heard the saying of never buy a plane that has been used for flight training. Please, please belive me, it isn't worth it. :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Re: General Aviation VS Airlines

Postby Felix/FFDS » Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:07 am

Guys, I've seen the results of lease-to and leaseback op's. Don't do it just....... it will most likely be a tearfull proces for you in the end. I'm sure you have heard the saying of never buy a plane that has been used for flight training. Please, please belive me, it isn't worth it. :'( :'( :'( :'(



Exception - unless you want to make it a labor of love, like getting a Tiger Moth, Chipmunk, Stearman, any of the Fairchild PTs, a T-6/Harvard .... etc.
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Re: General Aviation VS Airlines

Postby IcedFoxtrotter » Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:41 am

Yes, the one exception is that; I forgot. :-[ :)
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Re: General Aviation VS Airlines

Postby Felix/FFDS » Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:55 am

Basically, purchasing/building an airplane for personal and private use is a labor of love, and the money should be considered as invested in personal satisfaction.  If you can make more money (or get someone else to pay the expenses) with the airplane than its costs, then you're running a business, with its attendant headaches.

I still envy those of you who can fly - for real.
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Re: General Aviation VS Airlines

Postby IcedFoxtrotter » Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:01 pm

Its nice to hear that some people envy us, a lot of people I know think I am nuts for being a pilot.

To put it simply, it would be a thousand times better to buy a plane that hasn't been used for flight training because it will have a longer usefull life. The airframe will not wear out near as soon and it will be less of a maintenance hassle.
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Re: General Aviation VS Airlines

Postby Scottler » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:14 am

Delta will get you there for half that.  Depart at 6:47 AM and arrive at 10:50.  This with just an hour layover in Memphis.  (Also remember there's an hour time difference, so really you're arriving at 9:50.)

The cost for this horrible journey is a mere $356 per person, or a total of about $700.  And this is just a quick fare I looked up.  There are probably better deals if you take the time to search for them.

Personally, I'd rather go commercial.  Just me though. ;)
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Re: General Aviation VS Airlines

Postby IcedFoxtrotter » Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:43 pm

Well you have obviously never experienced the joy of flying yourself somewhere than. ::) :P
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