jcj78 wrote:G.K. wrote:That's just silly. If there was something to eat, there would be predators. That's how nature works. LIke I already said, we have lots more predators, because we have lots more prey. Anyone who thinks his horse is high because he lets a proxy hit his meat over the head with a hammer should seriously reevaluate himself.
Technically, no one has to eat meat, so all animals are killed for want. Like it or don't, there's blood on your hands. I just don't hire my work out.
Not Silly. And yes it's how nature works IF humans don't interfere, unfortunately we have. Cougars are returning to Tennessee but they still haven't reached sufficient numbers to have a major impact on deer numbers. Cougars are solitary types, even when abundant their numbers are not high.
The predator that makes the big difference is the Wolf. I don't think they inhabit Tennessee anymore. If they do it's a recent development and there are not many.
Both the Wolf and Cougar were persecuted by humans and as a consequence have been eliminated in many areas of the US. The Wolf is now extinct in the UK, hunted to extinction......When I say "We shot them" I mean the collective we that is the human race. There is a group that want the Wolf reintroduced into Scotland to balance the ecology, I would support that idea.
I eat meat AND I know where it comes from. I'm old enough and experienced enough to know what the score is and who's hands are bloody. Most townies never get the time or opportunity to kill their own meat, slaughter by proxy is the only alternative if they want to eat meat.
I'm sincerely glad to hear that you don't advocate gratuitous killing of animals.
The Wild Boar has made a comeback in the UK not 10 miles from were I'm sitting, and there are folk queuing up to shoot them for fun and to prove themselves, sad but true. I would say to those people: If I seem to be sitting on a high horse it's not because I am taking the moral high ground, it's because you have taken the moral low ground.........
You sure do seem to know a lot about what other's people's motivations are. You should start a psychic hotline, or better yet, give the fellas at NATO a call, and put that powerful woman's intuition, or whatever it is you've got going for you to work. I didn't say you seem to be sitting on a high horse. I said you seem to THINK you're sitting on a high horse. There is a big difference. Then again, to a little man, most ANY horse looks high, huh?
Hearing about the wildlife situation here from someone on a different continent is hilarious. I've been to Paris, where they are currently on the lookout for a lynx because the hunters killed all the predators.When's the last time you were in Pigeon Forge?
There are at least two pairs of breeding age cougars on Redstone Arsenal. My buddy is a USDA Animal Health Inspection Service Wildlife Control Officer. He has shown me pics of tracks and spoor and kills. He works out there on the fed land a lot. Sometimes they call him from the fed office and say "We need to know what percentage of breeding age does are pregnant in your area." So he calls me and another guy and says "Let's go see". So we go out to Redstone, or Wheeler Wildlife Refuge (which borders it) and we spotlight a hundred does. However many of em are pregnant, that's the percentage. And after we shoot a hundred does in the head, we leave em laying there. And you could go back to the same place the next night and shoot a hundred more. They are pests. Glorified rats, except rats don't kill the operators of motor vehicles when they collide with them on roadways. They eat billions in crops, driving up the costs of food for consumers, and driving down profit margins for small farmers. Deer are a danger and a nusiance here. Gratuitous? Not at all. Absolutely necessary, and paid for by the tax payer for the good of the public. Shooting pest animals is a public service. You reap the benefits, just like me. I shoot wild pigs with my buddy in Bankhead National Forest. The wild pigs are destroying over two acres a day. If we don't shoot them, there is no National Forest. That belongs to the public. Preserving it from destruction by pest animals is a public service. The game warden meets us there and says "shoot till you're out of shells, boys". And we do.
I'm old enough and experienced enough to know what the score is and who's hands are bloody.
That's good to hear. No need to say thanks, bloke. We're used to pulling our weight and part of yours too, over here on this side of the pond. Its what keeps us hard enough to come bail you out of every scrap you get into with your mean old neighbors.
I've been civil to you, how come you can't do likewise?? Genuine question, I really am curious.
LOL. You think that's respectful? You've been looking for something to be butthurt about since you first looked at this post. Hope I could help. Now, you bore me. You don't like it? Move along.
Or safety glasses like the little emoji here!
