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Reporting Reg Breaks

Postby skoker » Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:51 pm

We had a debate today in my class because we were wondering if a student pilot were to fly into the bottom edge of a cloud would it require notifying the FAA?  We came up with the example if a student misjudged the weather on his solo and took off to go fly the pattern, but as he was flying the clouds lowered forcing him to fly through the bottom of one what would happen and would any action be needed?  We got on the topic because it happened to a kid yesterday. ;D
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Re: Reporting Reg Breaks

Postby beaky » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:43 am

Personally, I'd keep my mouth shut, and never do it again. ;)

Should I find myself, in the future,
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Re: Reporting Reg Breaks

Postby Rocket_Bird » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:05 am

I'm not too sure about the reporting rules for the FAA (despite the fact that I'm currently in the border with a small aircraft...), but I would imagine that a little common sense would apply.

If that student was flying in controlled airspace with traffic in the area, and the student didn't tell anybody about it, then probably yes.  Something like that probably should be reported. 

But if it was at an uncontrolled airport, and the student did what he could to remain clear of cloud (and hopefully, with the intent to land as soon as it happened), then I would imagine that even if you do report it, the FAA is probably just going to be like "meh." 

Flying through a cloud isn't so much of a big deal if it was forced on the pilot, so long that the necessary precautions were taken to remedy the problem (and so long as the plane doesn't crash!).  Obviously, VFR requires either to be clear of cloud or to be so many feet above, below, and to the sides of it, but let's face it, weather can change in an instant, and even the most up-to-date forecasts can be wrong. Skirting through the bottom of a cloud isn't the end of the world, and I'm sure most VFR private pilots with a fair amount of hours on their belt have flown through at least a cloud or two.  It isn't VFR, but there is always the odd chance it could happen. 

If the student continued to fly through such conditions, it's probably best that he/she get a good "briefing" on what is expected. Obviously, the instructors should always keep an eye on the safety of their students, so it's more of an internal concern than an FAA concern I would imagine. 

Unless the student was intentionally trying to break a rule (VFR, or published TPAs, or whatever), I doubt reporting such incidences would be a big deal.  Then again, I'm not a US pilot, so I could be wrong  ;)
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Re: Reporting Reg Breaks

Postby DaveSims » Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:42 pm

Could go to the link below and fill out a voluntary ASRS report.

http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/

The report is not given to the FAA, and can help you out if the FAA does come looking for you.  It is a voluntary reporting program run by NASA.
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Re: Reporting Reg Breaks

Postby Splinter562 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:12 pm

Agreed. This type of situation is exactly what ASRS was setup for.

NASA wants to collect data on how these types of things happen, but they know that it is unreasonable to ask people to incriminate themselves. So they've set up ASRS to allow pilots to self-report accidental reg busts without fear of action being taken against them.
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Re: Reporting Reg Breaks

Postby skoker » Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:58 pm

I'd also consider finding a new instructor... why was a student signed off for local solo pattern work when the ceiling was at or near VFR minimums? And why was this student not taught to maintain VMC in the event that the ceiling lowered below the desired altitude?

Funny story... ::)

I was signed off to go and do my solo work at the same time, but I called the flight because I was preflighting and saw the clouds just dropping rapidly.  Had I started just a few minutes earlier I probably would have done the same thing...  luckly I didn't.   ;D
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