Runway practices

Ask questions about flying techniques here. Real or Simulated - the principles are the same!

Runway practices

Postby skoker » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:34 pm

I was up at the buffalo airport today and saw a common occurance there, planes taking off at 1/2 runway.  My question is are there qualifications or rules/regs for a plane that takesoff so far down the runway?  Are passenger aircraft able to do the same if the runway is long enough?

Ps. I'm talking about plane taxiing from Rwy14 and taking off at the intersection on to 23. ;)
Image
User avatar
skoker
Major
Major
 
Posts: 4260
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:19 pm
Location: 1G3

Re: Runway practices

Postby olderndirt » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:09 pm

Intersection departures have always been popular and I suppose each 'for hire' outfit has rules about their use but don't think Part121 companies allow them.
[img]http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/oldrt18.jpg
User avatar
olderndirt
Major
Major
 
Posts: 3495
Joined: Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:07 pm
Location: Rochester, WA

Re: Runway practices

Postby DaveSims » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:27 pm

[quote]I was up at the buffalo airport today and saw a common occurance there, planes taking off at 1/2 runway.
User avatar
DaveSims
Major
Major
 
Posts: 2350
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2002 2:59 am
Location: Clear Lake, Iowa

Re: Runway practices

Postby JoBee » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:49 pm

Watch this thru to the end - http://www.faa.gov/airports/runway_safe ... ation.html

It was an interesting day, no doubt.

cheers,
Joe
Don't argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
User avatar
JoBee
Captain
Captain
 
Posts: 574
Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:14 am

Re: Runway practices

Postby C » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:33 am

[quote])However, the three things that won't help you, fuel in the fuel trucks, altitude above you, and the runway behind you.
User avatar
C
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 11977
Joined: Mon May 19, 2003 1:04 pm
Location: Earth

Re: Runway practices

Postby aeroart » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:55 am

I don't know if it's still allowed, but we used to do intersection take-offs with Mohawk Airlines at places like KJFK. Saved lots of time and avoided inhaling lots of jet engine exhaust. The Convairs didn't need all that concrete.

Art
User avatar
aeroart
2nd Lieutenant
2nd Lieutenant
 
Posts: 99
Joined: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:30 pm
Location: Michigan

Re: Runway practices

Postby DaveSims » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:36 am

[quote][quote])However, the three things that won't help you, fuel in the fuel trucks, altitude above you, and the runway behind you.
User avatar
DaveSims
Major
Major
 
Posts: 2350
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2002 2:59 am
Location: Clear Lake, Iowa

Re: Runway practices

Postby C » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:31 am

Have you checked out the simulation Joe posted right above you?


I'd missed that link - I'll have a look now.
User avatar
C
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 11977
Joined: Mon May 19, 2003 1:04 pm
Location: Earth

Re: Runway practices

Postby specter177 » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:09 pm

I would only do it if the airport had very light traffic, a very long runway, I was on the wrong side of the field, and I had a slow airplane with a radio, and the field was controlled.
ImageImage
User avatar
specter177
Major
Major
 
Posts: 1369
Joined: Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:33 pm
Location: KDAY

Re: Runway practices

Postby olderndirt » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:49 pm

By and large, most of these runway incursions are the result of actions/inactions taken by both controllers and pilots.
[img]http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/oldrt18.jpg
User avatar
olderndirt
Major
Major
 
Posts: 3495
Joined: Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:07 pm
Location: Rochester, WA

Re: Runway practices

Postby -Crossfire- » Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:55 pm

I've seen AC Jazz Dash-8's do intersection take-offs at YVR many times.
Image
-Crossfire-
Captain
Captain
 
Posts: 966
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:42 am
Location: Northern Canada

Re: Runway practices

Postby Towerguy » Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:41 am

use them all the time,
gives the controller much more choice to mix the departure order to achieve a better throughput or better order for the departure controller, on our system (electronic strips) the different departure positions are listed seperately so it is easy to see where they are and it's pointless to taxi a light aircraft 2 miles and put it behind a taxiing b747 when it could be airborne and gone before the heavy even gets to the runway. with 2 miles of runway we even get B767 and even B744 and B772 take the insets at times depending o the conditions.
User avatar
Towerguy
2nd Lieutenant
2nd Lieutenant
 
Posts: 51
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:08 pm
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Re: Runway practices

Postby Andy Hughes » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:37 pm

This is standard practice at many airport.
At Van Nuys, for instance, we used to line up 3 or 4 planes deep at EACH of the intersections A through J on the 8000' runway waiting for the go ahead. The scary/dangerous part is when a large plane comes in and doesn't land in the first half of the runway.... saw a 172 flip over once.
Andy Hughes
Ground hog
Ground hog
 
Posts: 5
Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:58 pm
Location: Silverton, Oregon


Return to Flight School

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 288 guests