what do i need

[Craig.]

Ok, the plan right now is to goto college this autumn as some people know. However there is no gaurentee in that happening for various reasons. So if it doesnt i want to put the money i will have into getting enough licenses to get a paying flying job. I would like to get my instructor rating at very least, so which licenses MUST you get to get there. All these sites basically lay it out as though you have $45,000's to spend on getting them all so are of little help.
Thanks for any help

[Meinas]

heres a site for a local fbo here http://www.skyschoolinc.com

I think these would be the minimum to both fly for money and instruct (in single engine aircraft)

"Private Pilot Course Cost:  $4,170.00

 
SKYschool's published course is based on the Cessna 152 training airplane and the FAA required minimum forty hours of flight time.  However, the national average flight time to complete the course is nearly seventy hours, so unless the student is particularly capable and self motivated, the cost will probably be higher than as published.  Higher performance training airplanes such as the Cessna 172 or Piper Warrior will also add to the course cost.

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Instrument Rating Course Cost:  $4,373.00

 
The applicant for an instrument rating must hold a Private Pilot Certificate and have 40 hours of instrument time before taking the checkride.  This course is priced to include the 40 hours, but hood time from private training and subsequent "safety pilot" hood time is applicable to that hour minimum and may reduce the cost of the rating.

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Commercial Pilot Course Cost:  $1,981.00

 
This course is priced to include ten hours dual in a complex airplane (Piper Arrow) and five hours ground instruction in preparation for the checkride.  Prerequisites include 250 hours total flight time.

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Certified Flight Instructor Course Cost:  $2,920.00

 
Applicant must possess a valid Commercial Pilot Certificate.  This course includes 15 hours of flight instruction, five in a primary trainer Cessna 152, and ten in an advanced trainer Piper Arrow.  Twenty hours of concentrated ground instruction is included.
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[Craig.]

thank you for the info:)

[Meinas]

oh wait, you're in the UK arent you?

I know for sure that in the USA you can start flying for money with a commercial rating, but whether you can carry passengers for money "is a gray spot,"      
qoute from my instructor, I havent bothered looking this up yet to see whats so gray about it....


but with a commercial rating I believe you can tow banners and fly some cargo flights

[OTTOL]

You CAN fly for money with a Commercial License you can't CHARGE money as an individual. That's the basic jist of it.

There are exceptions. ie: compensation for expenses by passengers, volunteer of pilot service for compensation in regard to religious benefit(ie:disaster relief), transportation of individuals in a private corporation(for which the  pilot must work!). I don't think these apply to the original question though.

Getting a Commercial ticket is like getting the multi. When you first get either, they are all but useless! Most people won't rent a multi-aircraft to a pilot with 20hrs multi and a new license and most people won't hire a Commercially rated pilot with no Commercial experience. This is the gap that flight instructing and banner towing fills.

Meinas in right.......to become a CFI you must have PVT through COMM and also have spin training(in the US), it averages anywhere from $20,000-$50,000 USD.

[Meinas]

Meinas in right.......

yay!!! a first

[Craig.]

Thanks for the info guys, the only thing thats making this impossible is the 250 hours required for the commercial, just throws the costs way to high for me. This young cragling would be happy right now banner towing and flight instructing. Right now i am looking into just what i can get with $18,000, well maybe $14,000 after living expenses. Flying here in the UK is just to expensive.

[Meinas]

does the U.K. have anything like a civil air patrol? in the US if your part of it, you can be reimbursed for the flying you have done for them.

[Craig.]

i dont do military. I dont take orders:) thats why i am not in the airforce right now in the end.

[Meinas]

i dont do military. I dont take orders:) thats why i am not in the airforce right now in the end.

its not military, its civilians, I believe they help with search and rescue, almost like part time coast guard

[Craig.]

then no we dont:) i believe

[Meinas]

heres a link just to give you a better idea of what Im babbling on about.
http://www.cap.gov/

[Scottler]

I'm not sure if they serve the UK or not, or if there's a UK equivalent, but there's a company called Pilot Finance that you might want to look into as well.

www.pilotfinance.com

If you don't deal well with order taking, perhaps a career in the airline industry isn't for you.  You have to answer to scheduling, your union, etc....

Come to think of it, maybe a job period isn't your thing.  They all tell you to do things.  

[Craig.]

most jobs do it in a friendly polite way:) Usually, the military does it in a yell into your face thinking it will get you to do it way. Thats what i dont do.
Thanks for the link will give it a check

[Scottler]

You only get yelled at during Boot Camp.  Once that's done, it's hug and munch all the way to Chicago.