Spins

[beaky]

stalls should continue to be practiced.

I always liked to believe I practiced one each flight - power off, at touchdown

[DaveSims]

stalls should continue to be practiced.

I always liked to believe I practiced one each flight - power off, at touchdown

[BSW727]

My aerobatic training was in the Decathalon. That little airplane will do just about anything...and it spins really well.

My instructor always told me, "If you see me leaving, try and keep up..."

Of course we had 'chutes on.

[justalilrandom]

Hey guys,

I've just done my GFPT and it is part of the course I did to go out in a Decathlon for an hour and practice spins and recoveries not just talking about them, find it hard to believe schools wouldn't take students out and force spins on them and have them recover... Thought everyone would do it...

We did that along with the normal stalls and spiral dives etc. in the Cessna 172. We had all that done before being allowed to go solo I think, at least before area solo was granted... There might be risks involved with the training but in the right hands they should be minimal shouldn't they? Also don't the benefits of the training outweigh the risk? I've got no real experience but it seems to me the training is good for new pilots... Then again I'm only just starting flying so what do I know?

[EVVFCX]

Hi,

Think about the spin, it's the stall of a wing that hasn't been recognised and stopped at the incipient stage.
With modern wings that are more likely to be a near perfect mirror image of the other, the amount of lift from both wings is going to be very close preventing one wing from dropping, you end up with the aircraft 'mushing' I think my instructor called it.
Bare in mind this was in gliders, in wood/fabric type the wings were unlikely to be perfect image of each other and all glass gliders, it could be prevoked more by having a more rearward CG.

Steve
Solo on K13 k21 K8 and K23's gliders in the 90's.

[C]

Hi,

Think about the spin, it's the stall of a wing that hasn't been recognised and stopped at the incipient stage.

Unless it's deliberate.

With modern wings that are more likely to be a near perfect mirror image of the other, the amount of lift from both wings is going to be very close preventing one wing from dropping, you end up with the aircraft 'mushing' I think my instructor called it.

Yep. The Grob Tutor (as based near you at Church Fenton) is a very good example of that, very benign around the stall, being the aircraft that RAF studes do their first spinning - but also being an aircraft which actually pretty much recovers from either an incipient or full spin by itself (with the controls centred of course!).

[beaky]

Hi,

Think about the spin, it's the stall of a wing that hasn't been recognised and stopped at the incipient stage.
With modern wings that are more likely to be a near perfect mirror image of the other, the amount of lift from both wings is going to be very close preventing one wing from dropping, you end up with the aircraft 'mushing' I think my instructor called it.
Bare in mind this was in gliders, in wood/fabric type the wings were unlikely to be perfect image of each other and all glass gliders, it could be prevoked more by having a more rearward CG.

Steve
Solo on K13 k21 K8 and K23's gliders in the 90's.

An interesting observation, but it's possible to spin an airplane with perfectly-matched wings; people do it all the time, intentionally or by accident.

[olderndirt]

A 'Box Canyon turn', as it's simetimes called, is essentially a stall turn.

[specter177]

I practiced spin recovery with my dad in our Cub, so if you know someone that will teach, it would probably be worth it. It is true that most trainers nowadays don't spin easily, but it can happen, usually at low altitude, or in icing conditions. Avoidance can only work if you know what it is you're avoiding. You may not always be flying a trainer.

Hi,

Think about the spin, it's the stall of a wing that hasn't been recognised and stopped at the incipient stage.
With modern wings that are more likely to be a near perfect mirror image of the other, the amount of lift from both wings is going to be very close preventing one wing from dropping, you end up with the aircraft 'mushing' I think my instructor called it.
Bare in mind this was in gliders, in wood/fabric type the wings were unlikely to be perfect image of each other and all glass gliders, it could be prevoked more by having a more rearward CG.

Steve
Solo on K13 k21 K8 and K23's gliders in the 90's.

An interesting observation, but it's possible to spin an airplane with perfectly-matched wings; people do it all the time, intentionally or by accident.

It's most likely to happen on base-to-final, when you are slow, with a high bank angle.

[quote]A 'Box Canyon turn', as it's simetimes called, is essentially a stall turn.

[olderndirt]

[quote][quote]A 'Box Canyon turn', as it's simetimes called, is essentially a stall turn.

[DaveSims]

[quote][quote][quote]A 'Box Canyon turn', as it's simetimes called, is essentially a stall turn.

[olderndirt]

[quote]
Sounds a lot like a wingover, which is itself a lot like a hammerhead without stalling the aircraft.

[specter177]

[quote][quote]
Sounds a lot like a wingover, which is itself a lot like a hammerhead without stalling the aircraft.

[N2744X]

Spin training is only a requirement if you are seeking a CFI. They cannot be waived if the airplane is not certified. In this case, the training must be performed in a different aircraft, but all CFI students are required to demonstrate proper entry and recovery, the logic behind this being the ability to demonstrate that you have the capability to recover if your student ends up "ass over teakettle" as they say. 

Joe