Is Flight a Simulator?

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Re: Is Flight a Simulator?

Postby andy190 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:53 pm

Ah but Doug you forgot the Golden Rule:

All Simulators are Games BUT,

Not all Games are Simulators.
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Re: Is Flight a Simulator?

Postby Flying Trucker » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:59 pm

;D ;D ;D

How true Andy... :)

Here is an interesting Link and why motion is required to be a Flight Simulator...

http://www.pilotfriend.com/aeromed/medi ... tation.htm

Some interesting statistics there also... ;)

Without motion FSX sitting on a desk top with flight yokes, rudder pedals etc. can not duplicate pilot disorientation, not even the old girl rocking my computer chair while I am using FSX can duplicate pilot disorientation... :)

Here is another two interesting Links...

http://airspeedonline.blogspot.ca/2009/ ... lator.html

http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/sa17.pdf
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Re: Is Flight a Simulator?

Postby pete » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:30 am

Flight simulator .... PC flight simulator ..... different.

One crucial point -- Lockheed Martin haven't adopted FSX (renamed prepar3d) as a game.

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Re: Is Flight a Simulator?

Postby Fozzer » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:11 pm

http://www.prepar3d.com/prepar3d-license-comparison/

Quote:
...use...not for Personal, Consumer, Entertainment Product...
End quote.

Excludes the likes of us?

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Re: Is Flight a Simulator?

Postby Hagar » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:29 pm

http://www.prepar3d.com/prepar3d-license-comparison/

Quote:
...use...not for Personal, Consumer, Entertainment Product...
End quote.

I think that proves Pete's point.

Excludes the likes of us?

Paul.

Not necessarily. The Academic licence is $49.95. Once you have it on your computer I see no reason why you can't use it for whatever purpose you want. [url]http://www.prepar3d.com/prepar3d-academic/
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Re: Is Flight a Simulator?

Postby Flight Ace » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:07 pm

;D ;D ;D

How true Andy... :)

Here is an interesting Link and why motion is required to be a Flight Simulator...

http://www.pilotfriend.com/aeromed/medi ... tation.htm

Some interesting statistics there also... ;)

Without motion FSX sitting on a desk top with flight yokes, rudder pedals etc. can not duplicate pilot disorientation, not even the old girl rocking my computer chair while I am using FSX can duplicate pilot disorientation... :)

Here is another two interesting Links...

http://airspeedonline.blogspot.ca/2009/ ... lator.html

http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/sa17.pdf


Flying Tucker,

If you meant to say, "Here is an interesting Link indicating why motion in a simulator used for flight crew training is required by the Government", I would agree with you. I have sat, as President, on military Accident Investigation Boards where Vertigo was the major contributing factor to the cause of an accident. In most instances the pilot was not instrument rated.
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Re: Is Flight a Simulator?

Postby Flying Trucker » Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:39 pm

Hi Flight Ace

[glow=yellow,2,300]"Here is an interesting Link indicating why motion in a simulator used for flight crew training is required by the Government", [/glow]I would agree with you

Okay I can agree with what you think my statement should have been typed out as...no problem there... ;D

However using a desk top computer with the Microsoft Games installed does not make it a Flight Simulator.

I found that in most definitions of Flight there was mention of motion...
ex.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/flight

We can not duplicate flight without motion and it is as simple as that.

Unless the Microsoft Programs such as FSX and FS2004 are installed on a system with motion then the best they can be is Training Aids or a Game for personal enjoyment... :)
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Re: Is Flight a Simulator?

Postby Flight Ace » Mon May 07, 2012 9:54 am

Hi Flight Ace

[glow=yellow,2,300]"Here is an interesting Link indicating why motion in a simulator used for flight crew training is required by the Government", [/glow]I would agree with you

Okay I can agree with what you think my statement should have been typed out as...no problem there... ;D

However using a desk top computer with the Microsoft Games installed does not make it a Flight Simulator.

I found that in most definitions of Flight there was mention of motion...
ex.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/flight

We can not duplicate flight without motion and it is as simple as that.

Unless the Microsoft Programs such as FSX and FS2004 are installed on a system with motion then the best they can be is Training Aids or a Game for personal enjoyment... :)







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Re: Is Flight a Simulator?

Postby Rocket_Bird » Mon May 07, 2012 2:31 pm

Hi Flight Ace

[glow=yellow,2,300]"Here is an interesting Link indicating why motion in a simulator used for flight crew training is required by the Government", [/glow]I would agree with you

Okay I can agree with what you think my statement should have been typed out as...no problem there... ;D

However using a desk top computer with the Microsoft Games installed does not make it a Flight Simulator.

I found that in most definitions of Flight there was mention of motion...
ex.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/flight

We can not duplicate flight without motion and it is as simple as that.

Unless the Microsoft Programs such as FSX and FS2004 are installed on a system with motion then the best they can be is Training Aids or a Game for personal enjoyment... :)




A piece of software for the desktop computer can simulate motion, but perhaps not in the tactile kind of way unless it is geared for that purpose ;)

The most simple definition of a simulator is trying to simulate an environment, usually to serve a purpose such as training.  In a sense, I think programs like FSX, X-Plane, and MS Flight can each serve as a simulator to a certain extent.  The merits on how much of a simulator it is, however, is in my opinion gauged by how realistically the software is designed to do so.  Here, MS Flight seems to be more geared towards a casual audience, and the game likewise delivers scenarios that are somewhat borderline fantasy. 

As for other software, like FSX, or even X-Plane... well, I've seen them make their way into commercial flight training institutions as sims that are in fact, recognized by the government as "flight simulators," for the training of civilian flight crews (usually instrument work).  My very first commercial sim I've jumped into utilized a pretty simple yoke and throttle system and ran a primitive and modified version of x-plane with no motion whatsoever other than force feedback on the controls.  It was still recognized as a flight simulator and I could still log sim hours in my log book. I've also jumped into a sim that ran some derivative of FSX, though it is situated on a moving platform that responds to command inputs.

Software like FSX and FS2004 may in many ways be considered "games," but they are no less simulators than some of the stuff I've seen.  I consider my desktop version of FSX a simulator--especially with some of the addons I use--for it portrays the aspects of cruising the air with a set of wings to a satisfying level and has also helped me train and prepare for real flights as well.  It certainly doesn't simulate everything (I don't think any simulator can take into account every variable that exists in real life), it still accomplishes it's goal of simulating something that is real. 
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Re: Is Flight a Simulator?

Postby jetprop » Mon May 07, 2012 4:08 pm

Another thing is:its all there.
In FSX and other sims we can create gauges to interact with real life buttons,PMSG and accusim have proven that accurate systems can be simulated.

It can be made into a comercial sim,it just hasn't been done yet...
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Re: Is Flight a Simulator?

Postby andy190 » Mon May 07, 2012 5:10 pm

It can be made into a comercial sim,it just hasn't been done yet...


Actually FSX has. It was called Microsoft ESP I think.

Then MS sold it to Lockheed Martin who renamed it Prepar3D (also known as P3D).
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Re: Is Flight a Simulator?

Postby SamYeager » Fri May 11, 2012 2:08 am

I voted yes because to me Flight offers the sensation of flying together with the use of VORs and ILS. The area in which it is possible to fly is more limited than  FSX but that doesn't prevent Flight from being a simulator.
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