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Hi All,

I wish someone could help me solve my landing issues at certain airport:

Scenario:

I flew from Kuala Lumpur to Barajas (13hrs) changed my flight plan to IFR. 1hr before i land. Tower advised me to land at 33L (if im not mistaken). There's no ILS capabilities at this particular runway. The TOWER advised to VFR with my A380 which is ok for me (too easy). Fortunately the weather was beautifully clear.

While descending at 4500FT, I received a warning from the cockpit "25 hundred". And i asked my self... "What? 25 hundred alert at 4500FT?"
Im definitely sure that i set the altimeter after passing below 18,000FT. The altimeter set to 30.00 (if im not mistaken again). Then i remembered i was facing the same issue when i land b737 somewhere in Australia. I dont know which one? probably gold coast? Brisbane?

In the end, i managed to land smoothly (of course) after i realised that my altitude shows up 2000FT extra more than the actual altitude.

Solution? Conclusion? How?
1. Imagined, i arrive at night time and i didnt prepare for this? Yes there are lots of lighting, but 5NM before you land, of course you need the right vectors before you land isnt it? without a proper altitude?

2. Imagines it was bad weather, i assumed the tower will advised me to land at the proper runway fitted with ILS. But if i have to hand landing in bad weather, how can i manage this with weird altitude indication? This is what happend to Turkish Airlines recently.

So Guys, please assist me with this situation.

Thank you!

The alert the aircraft gives is for AGL (above ground level) altitude, not ASL (above sea level) altitude

But if i have to hand landing in bad weather, how can i manage this with weird altitude indication? This is what happend to Turkish Airlines recently.

Don't blame it on ATC, blame it on the turks..  ;)

SubZer0,

Thanks for the AGL and ASL alert. But how you usually land in this situation?

Let ATC know you prefer a different runway. Look at your GPS or map and see which ones have ILS on them and choose that one

Ok thanks again, but what about the altitude issue? Cant the instrument tell me which level im at or something?

You should check to see what height the airport is above sea level and note it for arrival and make adjustments accordingly. Those altitude callouts should be suffiecnt enough.

For example, my local airport is 300ft above sea level. So we fly the circuit at 1,300ft, which is really 1000ft above the terrain (AGL). Hope this help's explain it a little.

Call ATIS* on your Radio as you approach the Airport/Airfield, for local weather, landing instructions, etc...

Paul...G-BPLF...FS 2004...FS Navigator... 8-)...!

* Automatic Terminal Information Service:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_ ... on_Service

Tip: Learn, practice, and perfect, all your Radio Communication, Navigation, etc, on a Piston, General Aviation "Trainer" aircraft, before attempting to use large Commercial Passenger Jet Aircraft......!

Tip: Learn, practice, and perfect, all your Radio Communication, Navigation, etc, on a Piston, General Aviation "Trainer" aircraft, before attempting to use large Commercial Passenger Jet Aircraft......!

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You should check to see what height the airport is above sea level and note it for arrival and make adjustments accordingly. Those altitude callouts should be suffiecnt enough.

For example, my local airport is 300ft above sea level. So we fly the circuit at 1,300ft, which is really 1000ft above the terrain (AGL). Hope this help's explain it a little.

Right on, Mitch

And don't put your trust in the AI ATC, sometimes the AI is screwed-up and wont work as it should, for example, when flying into Honolulu, Hawaii I was directed to land on the water, and there's a bout 2 other times I was directed to non ILS runways at night that weren't lit, and once I was directed to land with the wind at my back.

You could always fly an approach procedure from the GPS and change to ILS on thee final approach.

Oh my god,  

Speechless...

thank you to all of you for those comments and advices. It really helps and i appreciate it. i would like to give another "go" again with this particualr aiport.

keep it up with yall ongoing support.

again Thank you very much.  ;)

[quote]Oh my god,

Most airports aren't at sea level, which is what your altimeter shows.  Try landing at Denver, CO, you will find yourself 5,000 feet while on the ground.