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New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:33 am
by ElSardine6k5
Hello all,is anyone have a nose pitch oscillation problem at cruising altitude?seems above 40.000 feet it gets really bad.

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:08 pm
by Fr. Bill
Which? There are at least four available, two payware and two freeware!

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:49 pm
by Brett_Henderson
It's Alejandro's latest release, and it's mentioned in the readme.

Without going into a long explanation..it's a compromise, that I felt was better than compromising other aspects (namely attitude at cruise.. attitude/handling during approach.. and overall climb/cruise performance).

The CitationX is a tough beast to model, aeordynamically. Nothing quite like it in the weight/thrust/CG arena. The only way (that I could find) to avoid this.. would be to ignore it's unique geometry (and performance envelope), and just give it a juiced up Lear45 set of flight-dynamics... That was unacceptable.

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:14 am
by Alejandro Rhodes
I saw this post yesterday and obviously I knew was mine Citation X ,
Didn't want to reply first because there is a place to share and coments thing about all my aircraft and for this one, well specified in the read me File ,Second I flown for about two damn hours the damn plane at FL450 and I didn't feel any thing bad as you claim ,

You Did a perfect Job Brett ,and I think is one of your best ..

Alejandro

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:22 am
by packercolinl
I admit to not using it in that way but I think I would prefer a trade off in height performance for landing performance.

Col.

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:41 am
by Brett_Henderson
I admit to not using it in that way but I think I would prefer a trade off in height performance for landing performance.

Col.


Performance is just the begining.. the attitude complicates it. It's a CG thing. Seeing over the nose at cruise isn't a major issue.. but having absolutely no view of the runway on approach, is a problem.

The MSFS flight model has too many holes in it. Once you get too far away from a small, single-engine prop plane, with a "normal" CG, it falls apart in a hurry.

When I design a set of flight-dynamics.. I start with ACTUAL geometry, and REAL weights. For my Cardinal, it was almost too easy..

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:13 am
by skybolt66
Hi, after newest version (2FSND_FSX_Cittion_X_750.zip) didn't work---
posted here may 31st., plane is invisible----I got the version 2008 from
FlihgtSim.com (fsx2ctx.zip) and all is o.k.
skybolt66

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:46 am
by Alejandro Rhodes
, plane is invisible----


[glow=yellow,2,300]READ-ME FILE[/glow]


Do you want me to make it in Braille for Blind people?

This is an advanced, SP2 model, with hi-resolution textures. FSX must be upgraded to SP2, and you must be using a high-end video-card. If you are having visibility and rendering issues, those would be the causes.



[quote]Old Video Card and slow PCs will not renderize 2048x2048 DDS bitmaps ,instead will show invisible part ,Please don

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:58 am
by skybolt66
O.k. Alex, think getting problems by entering pilot's seat us

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:15 am
by grizzard
>:(  JEEEEZZ Guys!  It's a flight SIMULATOR, not a real airplane.  And I suspect if you were in the real thing the instructor was recommend you train an additional 10 hours until you get it down!  It's a absolutely beautiful plane ... everything works (for me),  it's smooth, the sounds are fantastic, and it takes some planning and talent to put it down properly. I appreciate the work and generosity it took to bring it to us ... and free I might add!  And did I mention FREE??   ;D ;D

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:54 am
by brantmacga
Alejandro,  

part of the job as "aircraft modeler" is learning how to accept criticism, and realize that not everyone is going to read the help files thoroughly and will still have questions.





if you see something that angers you, just take a break and come back to answer it later when you can do so more calmly.

you're not going to please everyone.


don't retaliate and get nasty like those guys on the posky team do in their forums when someone dares questions one of their designs.

not everyone understands completely how a lot of things in the sim work.

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:37 pm
by grizzard
Alejandro,

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:28 pm
by Alejandro Rhodes
[quote]Alejandro,

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:45 pm
by Rich H
99% of us are grateful for what you do, on how you benefit the FS community. It is only a small fraction of us, who are picky; and start complaining when they can't work something out; or realize what they should do.

Re: New Citation X problem

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:58 pm
by Alejandro Rhodes
And I swear ,I'm willing to help Richard, and I'm VERY happy when people enjoy the plane more than you can imagine ,but when its about people doesn't know what it is, I found one (still looking absurd complaints ,Take a look this one ,read it all plz ,do you think this is an issue , do you think is fear?

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2 ... 1219708019



Still looking for more

[glow=yellow,2,300]Found it[/glow]
This are from many more ,but this one (the last post specially) he's complaining about the one of Luthansa ,I never made that repaint ,there is a whole other thread like this one I can't find it ,of other Airplane asame model Not made by me and the title was another alrot's 707 problem ,and was not my 707

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2 ... 1217289881