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This is my first post here, so I hope I'm posting in the right place. I have searched the forum already for an answer to this, and haven't found one.

My question is in two parts. First of all, I create a flight plan using VOR-to-VOR navigation. When I run the simulation, I set my VOR frequencies and get ready to intercept, however ATC is always telling me to go another way. I have always followed their directions, but is it even possible to fly via VOR only without ATC telling me otherwise? It seems like ATC is holding my hand a bit too much.

The second part of the question is how do I determine the VOR frequencies for the airport itself (i.e. the runway)? I can get the frequencies to the regular VORs using the NavLog, but I don't know how to get those to intercept the glide slope.

Thanks in advance!

Welcome

I think you have to create first a flight plan here



then select "Find Route" set altitude , and I never try this but the way you describe the ATC is acting like an IFR flight, you need to select a vor to vor ,I mean VFR flight..

This calls for the old, "walk before you run",  approach  :)

Before filing and flying by VOR; you need to understand VOR basics.. and VOR navigation. If you don't know what it is a VOR can tell you, and all the different ways to use one.. you'll create more questions than answers.

And yes.. MSFS ATC can ask you to do odd things (another reason you need to see the big picture)...

Allow me to invite you to follow the 7 part, private pilot training in the 'Flight School' section of the forums  :)  We'll even have some video supliments, soon. So far, we've discussed VOR basics pretty thoroughly.. and will get into advanced VOR navigation, and instrument flying, soon..

The second part of the question is how do I determine the VOR frequencies for the airport itself (i.e. the runway)? I can get the frequencies to the regular VORs using the NavLog, but I don't know how to get those to intercept the glide slope.

You can get all the frequencies from the map (World/map from the main tool bar)('alt' brings it up)...

But again.. back to basics. What you're asking about are not VORs.. they're ILS (instrument landing systems)... and we'll be getting to those soon, too.

Thanks for the responses!

Arlot, I'll give that a try tonight. I assumed VOR was for ILS flight plans considering its an instrument. Strange.

Brett, I do understand the basics of VOR navigation (atleast I think I do!). I've done the VOR navigation training in FSX, as well as read up a good deal on it. I have no problem tuning the frequency, aligning myself with the appropriate VOR navigation signal, and intercepting.

But nonetheless, I'm sure I can always learn more, so I'll check out this Flight School section you're talking about.

Excellent  :) ..  But there's no such thing as an ILS flight plan. ILS is the radio navigation equipment at selected runways, that allow for precision approaches.

An "IFR" flight plan is a flight flown under instrument rules. It might or might not end with an ILS approach..  Instrument flight rules are complex and are a complete, "career" worth of training, all by themselves.

Thanks for the responses!

Arlot, I'll give that a try tonight. I assumed VOR was for ILS flight plans considering its an instrument. Strange.

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The guy above is actualy my training teacher bpops, Brett is a pilot trainer, and has two planes One is his own design a cessna cardinal wich you can download it here

and the other is another REAL cessna cardinal in some Hangar in Michigan  

That Cardinal (that model is based on), has long since been sold to a guy in Canada...


B U T... I just got access to a Mooney 201  ..  and boy am I excited  :D

I plan on taking it to Oshkosh this summer  :)

And I'll probably have to model one  ::)

And I'll probably have to model one

If you do I hope it turns out as good as the C177RG which is my aircraft of choice.

Thanks for the responses!

Arlot, I'll give that a try tonight. I assumed VOR was for ILS flight plans considering its an instrument. Strange.

Brett, I do understand the basics of VOR navigation (atleast I think I do!). I've done the VOR navigation training in FSX, as well as read up a good deal on it. I have no problem tuning the frequency, aligning myself with the appropriate VOR navigation signal, and intercepting.

But nonetheless, I'm sure I can always learn more, so I'll check out this Flight School section you're talking about.

Actually, you DO need the VOR for an ILS approach. You input the VOR frequency for the airport runway you wish to land on and then, enter the runway heading into your CRS (course) instrument. Then, make sure your nav switch is set to NAV and not GPS, hit the APP button on final approach and the instruments will line you directly up with the runway.

Actually, you DO need the VOR for an ILS approach. You input the VOR frequency for the airport runway you wish to land on and then, enter the runway heading into your CRS (course) instrument. Then, make sure your nav switch is set to NAV and not GPS, hit the APP button on final approach and the instruments will line you directly up with the runway.

Yes, Instrument Landing Systems do operate on the same range of frequencies that VHF Omni-directional Radio Range stations do, but they are still different.

A VHF Omni-directional Radio Range (VOR) station gives you the magnetic bearing to/from the station, and can sometimes have distance measuring equipment capabilities. These allow you to track radials to/from and between stations, and in conjunction with a second VOR station, you can triangulate your position.

An Instrument Landing System (ILS) is an instrument approach system that uses radio signals to allow precision guidance for a published instrument approach

Actually, you DO need the VOR for an ILS approach. You input the VOR frequency for the airport runway you wish to land on and then, enter the runway heading into your CRS (course) instrument. Then, make sure your nav switch is set to NAV and not GPS, hit the APP button on final approach and the instruments will line you directly up with the runway.

Yes, Instrument Landing Systems do operate on the same range of frequencies that VHF Omni-directional Radio Range stations do, but they are still different.

A VHF Omni-directional Radio Range (VOR) station gives you the magnetic bearing to/from the station, and can sometimes have distance measuring equipment capabilities. These allow you to track radials to/from and between stations, and in conjunction with a second VOR station, you can triangulate your position.

An Instrument Landing System (ILS) is an instrument approach system that uses radio signals to allow precision guidance for a published instrument approach

You are absolutely correct! However, I doubt that the poster I was responding to understood a single word of what you just said being that he admits knowing nothing about this "stuff".


I was trying to simplify it for him. He'll figure the rest out later as he reads more. Actually, he should be working on instrument navigation (other than the over-simplified GPS method) FIRST. But, that's the great thing about FS ... One can use the trial-and-error method, play with things and crash and always be able to walk away from it. lol.