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This has, I think, got to be one of the most significant improvements visually. The runways being wet and reflecting differently and stuff.... its going to make my day!  8)

This has, I think, got to be one of the most significant improvements visually. The runways being wet and reflecting differently and stuff.... its going to make my day!  8)

Wet runways will be produce a good effect when thrust reverse is applied, but reflections?? Runways are in the main black, matt in colour and textured to give grip, reflections are one thing they do not give.

Matt

Wet runways will be produce a good effect when thrust reverse is applied, but reflections?? Runways are in the main black, matt in colour and textured to give grip, reflections are one thing they do not give.

Matt

Yeah...I noticed that too....

Wet things do give reflections, especially runways.

Maybe its better for you two to do some research before blurting something out like that.  ::)

reflections are one thing they do not give.

I can safely say its the complete opposite. That was quite an ignorant statement.  ;)

I thought they said there will be reflections in wet runways and water now....

Exactly, now that shows everything very nicely Mobius!  ;)

[quote]Wet things do give reflections, especially runways.

Maybe its better for you two to do some research before blurting something out like that.

[quote]Exactly, now that shows everything very nicely Mobius!

Except that the light source (sun in this case) is behind that nice overcast  ::)

I dont see how that is relevant, I said nothing about light sources and we all know reflections are caused by light so obviously it is light reflecting off the runway.
I dont argue that light intensity is a factor in reflection and how visible they are, but reflections are there in the right conditions, on the runway and very distinguishable and thats what I set out to argue.

Im not arguing that they are always there, but to uphold the statement:

reflections are the one thing they do not give

when there is evidence supporting my argument and destroying the contender a few scrolls up...  ::) I dont know about the solidity of that argument.

I know that when there is little water there wont be very intese reflection, I see the reflections when there is a lot of water on the runway and I definately agree that the perspective is important.

Ive seen the reflections in photos (like above), in real life from cockpits of aircraft (during the taxi and takeoff in an SN A330 at Brussels) and im a big spotter so believe me, ive seen plenty of runways and have plenty of photos to prove my point.

I recall myself in the first post of this thread saying:

The runways being wet and reflecting differently and stuff.... its going to make my day!  8)

Didnt I say differently? That implies what you guys are trying to prove to me for some reason, about how water reflects differently under different circumstances, which I already knew a long time ago.

Well whatever. You know what they say about arguing on the internet.  ;)

I'll take contentment with the fact that I can see them.
Ive said nothing about them being there all the time on wet runways, im just saying that they can be there whilst the ex-pat has explictly stated that they cant (and Ashar backed him up), so I dont see the justification in the allegations being made over my statement.

Cheers
Kobe

It is very dependent on the surface of the runway. But hey, I have only 18 years in the industry behind me, what do I know?

Matt

It is very dependent on the surface of the runway. But hey, I have only 18 years in the industry behind me, what do I know?

Matt

Just because you have been in the industry for 18 years, does not mean that you are never wrong..

Well, you seem to take this a wee bit seriously...  ::)
But dont come to us and say that it will always produce reflections. THAT is a wrong statement, if anything.

How many times have you landed a real aircraft on a contaminated runway alphajet? Spotters and pilots do have a different view, you know...
From a pilots view, if it's overcast, then the runway wont have much light to reflect and you'll basicly see no reflections at all. I have experienced that, and Charlie etc.

But I agree that an aircrafts fuselage etc will give reflections, but it wont look like in the FS X screenshot, looks like the tarmac is made of ice.

I'm gonna leave this little debate. I've made my point very clear

I would like anybody to quote me saying that runways always produce reflections.

You say that that would be a wrong statement (and I havent made it)... but you guys are supporting the quote:

reflections are one thing they do not give.

This is beyond my comprehension.

I fly gliders (have my license), fly lessons in an Urbanair Lambada and have:
-Been in cockpit for take-off in an A330
-Landed in an A330 cockpit
-Taxied in an A330 cockpit

All on contaminated runways, and taxiways.

Well, I dont get why you guys cannot just look at the photos and accept that reflections on runways are possible.  ::)

But whatever.
Have it your way if you want.

Kobe

But I agree that an aircrafts fuselage etc will give reflections, but it wont look like in the FS X screenshot, looks like the tarmac is made of ice.

I think that sums it up appropriately - what we're trying to get across is that unless the drainage isn't working at all, there would be very few occasions (if any) that you get enough standing water for the whole pan/runway/taxyway to look like its been gloss painted...

Nice as they are, that new effect just looks a little too uniform - the water dispersal needs to be a little more random...