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Space

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:43 pm
by Ravang
As you probably know FSX does have space in it if you click on the map button and type in 99999999 (8, 9's) you will be as high as the sim will let you go. But the bad news you can not controll your aircraft and the engines shutdown and will not restart, my question is this have the crap do you make aircraft controllable in space in the sim? I tried in a Star Wars fighter and no luck at all, then in the Baron worst. ;D

Re: Space

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:46 pm
by KDSM
The sim is modelling aircraft in space correctly

Re: Space

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:47 pm
by Hagar
If you want a space simulator I suggest you try Orbiter. The best part is that it's free. http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html

Re: Space

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:19 pm
by pepper_airborne
Because there is no, or to thin are to carry the aircraft, it will fall down.

Re: Space

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:49 pm
by flyboy 28
Conventional airplanes need air to create lift. In case you haven't noticed, space has no air. :P

Re: Space

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:10 pm
by vololiberista
Quite why you want to fly a/c at impossible altitudes is beyond me. Space is for spacecraft. So get a space sim.
Vololiberista

Re: Space

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:35 pm
by Fozzer
The Carburettors feeding the engines in my Beech Baron thrive on fresh air...;)...!

...and there's not a lot of that up in space... :'(...!

Paul... ;D...!

Re: Space

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:08 pm
by Ravang
No,no,no I just was wondering if it was possible to make an X-15, or other high alt. fighters that could be controllable at that high, well maybe not at 9999999ft. up but just barly outside the earth. I'm not talking about a space sim here. And yes i know how an airplane flys thank you very much :-/ (I should being a Ret. RAF pilot) :P

Re: Space

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:59 pm
by Daube
Quite why you want to fly a/c at impossible altitudes is beyond me. Space is for spacecraft. So get a space sim.
Vololiberista

And because spacrafts can fly, there are welcome in a flight sim. And remember, space flight IS flight, just exactely the same flight as with your everyday plane.

Re: Space

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:04 pm
by Katahu
And remember, space flight IS flight, just exactely the same flight as with your everyday plane.


Except there's no atmosphere for your engines to breathe, RCS controls are needed as the wings are useless in a hard-vaccum environment, and you need a nacigational computer to help you calculation tragectories unless your brainy enough to calculate the path in your head. ;D

Re: Space

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:10 pm
by Daube

Except there's no atmosphere for your engines to breathe, RCS controls are needed as the wings are useless in a hard-vaccum environment, and you need a nacigational computer to help you calculation tragectories unless your brainy enough to calculate the path in your head. ;D


Yes, but still this is normal flight :)
On a physics point of view, nothing new, just some parameters changes, like gaz density, thrust and so.

Re: Space

PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:18 am
by vololiberista
And because spacrafts can fly, there are welcome in a flight sim. And remember, space flight IS flight, just exactely the same flight as with your everyday plane.
 Yes, but still this is normal flight
On a physics point of view, nothing new, just some parameters changes, like gaz density, thrust and so.
 


Sorry you're wrong! Space craft don't fly!! They are projectiles. They DO NOT have "Normal flight" as you say. They follow parabolic trajectories and are entirely dependant on the thrust input which only increases the angle of the trajectory which in space and here on Earth is influenced by gravity. THEY DO NOT FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vololiberista

Re: Space

PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:28 am
by Daube

Sorry you're wrong! Space craft don't fly!! They are projectiles. They DO NOT have "Normal flight" as you say. They follow parabolic trajectories and are entirely dependant on the thrust input which only increases the angle of the trajectory which in space and here on Earth is influence by gravity. THEY DO NOT FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vololiberista


EXACTELY like a normal plane in atmosphere, excepted that this projectile receives some drag from the gaz.
I'm talking about the physics point of view, or the "flight model" if you prefer.

Space flight is exactly like atmosphere flight, but the forces induced by the surrounding gaz are then inexistent, and have to be replaced by engines thrust.

That means that you don't need a spacesim to do space flight.

A flight sim that does not simulated space flight is incomplete. A Spacesim that does not simulate atmosphere flight is incomplete. We already had a discussion about that on another topic.

Re: Space

PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:30 am
by vololiberista

EXACTELY like a normal plane in atmosphere, excepted that this projectile receives some drag from the gaz.
I'm talking about the physics point of view, or the "flight model" if you prefer.

Space flight is exactly like atmosphere flight, but the forces induced by the surrounding gaz are then inexistent, and have to be replaced by engines thrust.

That means that you don't need a spacesim to do space flight.

A flight sim that does not simulated space flight is incomplete. A Spacesim that does not simulate atmosphere flight is incomplete. We already had a discussion about that on another topic.


WRONG AGAIN!!!  I suggest that you read up on aerodynamics and ballistics before questioning the sciences. Projectiles and space craft are affected by the friction of the air and gravity. They ARE NOT aircraft and follow ballistic science NOT aerodynamic OK!!!!!

Re: Space

PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:50 am
by Hai Perso Coyone?
Conventional airplanes need air to create lift. In case you haven't noticed, space has no air. :P


This just made my day ;D ;D