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Another fine mesh.

Postby OldAirmail » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:10 pm

No matter what kind, or brand, of scenery you like, there's one thing critical to making it look good - mesh.



As I said elsewhere there are two main commercial mesh's.

FS Global Ultimate - more than adequate, but somewhat expensive .

FSGenesis - World Terrain Mesh - the best bargain around, $25. It's slightly lower detail in some areas than FS Global Ultimate but not all that much.

There are also limited area HD mesh's such as the NEXTMESH series.

Or the NEXTMap series.

HD means more money. Sometimes MUCH more money.



I have the FSGenesis - World Terrain Mesh. Mainly because it's very cheap and it covers the entire earth. Sorta.

There is another side to the FSGenesis choice. A secret plus side.


You see, Orbx uses FS Global mesh inside of their "fat" regions. So if you buy Scotland, the Irelands, the Pacific Northwest, etc. you also get the better mesh from FS Global. Buy Australia? You get the FS Global mesh.

There are many short falls to this strategy. Taiwan, Japan, Mexico, Peru, India and a whole lot of other places will probably not get done before I die.

Still FSGenesis and others are pretty good.




But how about a very good FREE mesh?

Enter FreeMeshX.

According to them, they are using newer SRTM 3.0 data from NASA that was released last year.


Having recently installed Prepar3d V3, I gave FreeMeshX a trial as the only add-on mesh.

Of course, Prepar3d comes with the FSX built-in mesh but that leaves a lot to be desired once outside of the USA.

Europe's mesh isn't too bad, but it's below the USA mesh resolution.

Central & South America? You got to be kidding. China, Asia, and the Pacific islands - Don't make me laugh.


But this is what they say on the FreeMeshX website:

FreeMeshX LOD10 (38-m) coverage:

•North America (LOD10 Canada is released in this mesh - default USA is already LOD10, so USA is not included for the base release. An LOD11 - LOD12 USA mesh is WIP.)
•South and Central America
•Europe
•Asia
•Africa
•Australia and Oceania

FreeMeshX LOD9 (76-m) coverage:

•Antarctica
•Greenland
•Russian territories north of 60 N latitude


So most of the world is on a par, mesh wise, with the standard USA, and they're planning to improve that too.



The end result was that FreeMeshX was a small improvement in Europe compared with the standard mesh.

It even improved a little bit compared with FSGenesis.

But for the rest of the world it was a very significant improvement.

Remember, when you compare it to the Orbx "fat" regions, you won't see any improvements.

One caveat - I installed it as scenery. In one place I had to move it below all of the Orbx scenery. After that it looked good.



Time for Show N Tell.

This is in China - ZUXC
This comparison is with FSX "standard" mesh and the FreeMeshX. I'll let you guess which one is which. :D

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These next two are comparing the difference between FSGenesis and FreeMeshX.

If you have a problem seeing the improvement, copy both pictures to your desktop and switch between them using your arrow keys. It'll be VERY dramatic & obvious.

Look at the bottom half of each picture.

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Download these and add them to your sim. The sim it's self will always choose the one with the higher resolution.
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Re: Another fine mesh.

Postby Fozzer » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:59 am

I must admit that I avoid using "Photo Scenery" like the plague, always have done... :roll: ......(no good for very low level flying like I always do)....

I know that "Photo Scenery" has come a long way since "Flight Unlimited II" but, to me, its only really suitable for "high altitude flying", has strange effects when leaving the photo areas, and is disappointing when at ground level.... :( .....

I am a great lover of; "MS Autogen Scenery".... :D ...!

But I am a really Happy Bunny with my combination of; Autogen, Orbx "FTX Global", and "Ultimate Terrain USA (and Europe)", for the scenery mesh.

Extremely accurate scenery in comparison with maps and actual photographs of the areas!.... :dance: ...!

Paul....very low and very slow....and occasionally excitable... :mrgreen: ....!

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Re: Another fine mesh.

Postby garymbuska » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:35 am

Mega Scenery earth has just released there latest Photo Real scenery they claim it to be 4 times the resolution of the earlier release.
http://www.megasceneryearth.com/news/Ne ... -09-19.htm Sorry Paul Like you I also like to fly a lot below 10,000 feet and I find the current version of Mega Scenery Florida not bad at all at that height But I do not desire to have the whole world like this so far I have Florida and Southern California Not sure if i will get any others.
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Re: Another fine mesh.

Postby G.K. » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:19 am

Odd pieces of photoreal are good, like the Vesuvius that comes with OpenLC.....large area not so good.

The freemeshx looks good, only installed North america and Europe so far but looking forward to South America and the Andes.....I do like mesh.
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Re: Another fine mesh.

Postby Fozzer » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:46 pm

Ta, Garry.... :D ...!

With all this fancy Photo-Scenery stuff, I'm afraid that I will have to force you to show me a screen shot of one of your little piston props nestling amongst the photo-real trees and photo-real buildings in the photo-real countryside in the photo-real scenery....
...just that I know that all the things around you are actually sticking up in the air, and not just flat in the ground, ie: flat photograph, like they are in my Flight Unlimited II!

I like all my things to stick up in the air...(as the Bishop said to the Actress)... ;) ....

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Re: Another fine mesh.

Postby OldAirmail » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:06 am

While FreeMeshX will work with photoreal scenery, it's just a better mesh for the rest of the world. None of the pictures, above or below, are from photoreal scenery.

I didn't use forested areas, because the difference would have been partially hidden.



Here's a comparison between FSGenesis and FreeMeshX outside of Santiago, Chili.

As before, to see how dramatic it really is, you'll want to drag and drop both pictures to your desktop, and then use your keyboard arrow keys to switch quickly back and forth.

FreeMeshX is clearly surpeior to FSGenesis outside of the USA. AND it's free!


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Re: De Havilland Dash 8

Postby garymbuska » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:57 am

Here you go Paul This screen shot comes from the Mega Scenery Earth Home page it is there newest creation The state of Florida in 4X
Notice the single engine aircraft .
I have to admit though this scenery only looks good at certain altitudes but lets face it have you ever looked out of the window while flying at flight level 340 everything will be a blur.
One of my many flights around the world I tried to use single engine aircraft as much as I could But that is a task when flying over the Alps or some of the other High mountain ranges. But if you use a Mooney it can be done but be aware of those winter storms or you will wind up like Buddy Holly. :whistle: 8-)

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Re: Another fine mesh.

Postby Fozzer » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:24 am

You've done it to me again, Gary!.... :shock: ...!

You still haven't shown me one of your screen shots with your little Cessna 172 nestling amongst the 3D trees and 3D buildings, etc, in the Photo-scenery!.... :doh: ....!

When I landed in the photo-scenery in my Flight Unlimited II, the scenery around me was just a laid-down, "FLAT" photograph, with little, or no 3D objects to be seen all around!
And I suspect that it will be the same in the newest versions of Photo-scenery!.... :o ...!

I cant imagine "Photographic-Scenery" looking anything like; "Autogen Scenery", when at at ground level, in the middle of the Flight Sim countryside, where I go on my camping and fishing trips!.... :( ...!

The day that "Photo-Scenery" for the Flight Sims looks exactly like Google Satellite; Street Map objects, with me wandering around at ground level, I will be a very Happy Bunny!.... :D ...!

I may have a bit of a wait, yet.... :roll: ...!

So, come on, Chaps, show me exactly what "Photo-Scenery" looks like at GROUND LEVEL...not 10,000+ feet AGL, up in the bleedin' sky!... ;) ...!

Paul..... :mrgreen: ....!
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Re: Another fine mesh.

Postby OldAirmail » Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:03 pm

OK, here I go again.

THIS IS NOT PHOTO SCENERY


I reinstalled FSX without adding any mesh, other than what comes with it.

So the difference that you see will ONLY be between FSX normal mesh and the FreeMeshX.



Just North North East of Katse, FXKA.

Africa standard FSX mesh
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Africa with FreeMeshX
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Re: Another fine mesh.

Postby OldAirmail » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:16 pm

First let me repeat this for Paul's sake - None of the pictures above are from photoreal scenery.

This is all about mesh. Not photoscenery.

The areas above were picked because they had few trees or buildings. The point is to see the effect that different types of mesh have on the ground in FSX/P3d.




An update on FreeMeshX.

The FreeMeshX website appears to be gone. Not to worry, the download links are available at Avsim. You'll find them in - FreeMeshX Global Support Forum

This patch is mainly concerned with the Mediterranean and the Middle East, but it also introduces the new way to update FreeMeshX in the future.


The get the downloads -FreeMesh X Global For FSX and P3D

The areas covered are;
• Africa (8.7 GB) (Africa has been significantly improved see Africa 002 at the bottom of the link)
• Antarctica (1.0 GB)
• Asia (13.3 GB)
• Australia and Oceania (3.2 GB)
• Europe (3.5 GB)
• North America (5.5 GB)
• South and Central America (6.9 GB) (South America has been improved see South America 001 at the bottom of the link)


To get the 1.05 patch - Patch 1.05 (Cumulative) (9.7 GB)


There is a lot to download. Just remember that it's a better mesh than most, and that it's all free. It's well worth the time.
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Re: Another fine mesh.

Postby Alain59 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:11 am

The site is still active at this URL http://ninetwopro.com/

I am new to FSX and posted a question that got no answer. When I add stuff like Global, is there an order in which I install them or I can install all my addons in any order?
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Re: Another fine mesh.

Postby Roypcox » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:04 am

This is wonderful info for us newbies. Great to have experienced simmers to guide us. Thanks to you all for this great info.Roy [homeboy]
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Re: Another fine mesh.

Postby OldAirmail » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:05 pm

Alain59 wrote:The site is still active at this URL http://ninetwopro.com/

I am new to FSX and posted a question that got no answer. When I add stuff like Global, is there an order in which I install them or I can install all my addons in any order?

Thank you, the original link that I have is dead, so this is VERY good news. :clap:

As to your question that never got answered, I think that you must have lost track of your post, garymbuska gave a full answer two days after your post.

In which order to add stuff

No matter the site, it's not uncommon for questions to be answered in a day or two. Harder questions may have to wait even longer.

In any case, Welcome Alain59 and Roypcox.


Flight sims can be a great deal of fun, but unfortunately it can be hard to learn everything that you need to know as soon as you need it.

When I started, I was ready to throw FSX in the trash after the first day. As time went by I learned more and more, but also made more mistakes than I wanted. That'll happen.

Finally, I became the most knowledgeable, and beloved, person on this site! :liar: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


If you have questions, ask. We may not have an answer right away, but we've all had to search Google for answers too.


FreeMeshX isn't perfect, but neither are all of the other meshes, and it is getting better. Personally, I think that it's VERY good, and it's free. :dance:

As to other freeware, just tell us what type of flying you like to do, and ask us for recommendations.

Don't limit yourself to freeware though. As you learn more and develop direction, you'll find a lot of great scenery and airplanes on payware sites.


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