Landing and Taxiing Help

[Bruce]

I have one problem that i cant figure out since i am simming. How can you tell what your weight for both passengers and fuel before take off and landing i made a note of Bret VREF landing approch speed for the 747 but just dont know how to determin my weight. I always try to land with about 23 or 20 % fuel with auto brake set to 3 and full flaps but i only get to that figure by dumping fuel if i am close the airport.

[Brett_Henderson]

I have one problem that i cant figure out since i am simming. How can you tell what your weight for both passengers and fuel before take off and landing i made a note of Bret VREF landing approch speed for the 747 but just dont know how to determin my weight. I always try to land with about 23 or 20 % fuel with auto brake set to 3 and full flaps but i only get to that figure by dumping fuel if i am close the airport.

In short..Load fuel per your flight plan (so you won't have to dump fuel) at

[BFMF]

Im going to start flying some props..
Which ones do you suggest I should start with..

Some of my favorites are Milton Shupe's Beech D18s and Spartan Executive models, Brett's Cessna 177RG, and some of the default aircraft like the Baron, Maule, and Dehaviland DH-2 floatplane


[quote]In short..Load fuel per your flight plan (so you won't have to dump fuel) at

[Brett_Henderson]

For some reason, I ALWAYs burn a lot more fuel on a flight than what the FSX Navlog/flightplan estimates, even when i'm flying at a comfortable cruise. So I always estimate more than what it tells me...

Yeah.. me too... and in real fyling, too. Probably because a non-autopilot flight has a lot of subtle heading changes  ;)

[DaveSims]

I'd honestly start off with something simple like a Cessna 172 or Piper Archer.  Plus if you don't have much experience with aircraft, I would probably use the flight lessons or tutorials.  Its one thing to jump into a jet and buzz around, and another to get into an airplane and understand what is going on and how everything actually works.  

[tcco94]

[quote]I'd honestly start off with something simple like a Cessna 172 or Piper Archer.

[BFMF]

I know mostly everything you need to know to fly on the game. Maybe not what you do in real life but i have taken lessons from them and I know how to land. I was just having some small problems.

That's a pretty bold statement to say you know almost everything. I've been flightsimming for most of my life, and I'm still learning new things, and improving my old skills.

Can you file an IFR flightplan using nothing but radio navigational aids, track your route without using the FSX Map, or the GPS at all, and still arrive at your destination as planned without ATC bugging you to get back on course, and once at your destination airport, successfully shoot the insrument approach?

If you can't, that's ok. It will take time

[tcco94]

I know mostly everything you need to know to fly on the game. Maybe not what you do in real life but i have taken lessons from them and I know how to land. I was just having some small problems.

That's a pretty bold statement to say you know almost everything. I've been flightsimming for most of my life, and I'm still learning new things, and improving my old skills.

Can you file an IFR flightplan using nothing but radio navigational aids, track your route without using the FSX Map, or the GPS at all, and still arrive at your destination as planned without ATC bugging you to get back on course, and once at your destination airport, successfully shoot the insrument approach?

If you can't, that's ok. It will take time

Okay well I can fly and IFR but sometime the airtrafic will contact me to get back on route but i can make a straight in approach on the runway. Sometimes people think I just get in the bigger jets and fuck around..
Which im not all i ask for is like an easy guestion about my bad landings. Im starting to learn stuff alot from these forums but yeah i would agree that was bold now i think of it. Maybe i know the easy stuff yeah but i know im not just screwing around in the airplane but i know what im doing.

[DaveSims]

Okay well I can fly and IFR but sometime the airtrafic will contact me to get back on route but i can make a straight in approach on the runway. Sometimes people think I just get in the bigger jets and crappity smack around..
Which im not all i ask for is like an easy guestion about my bad landings. Im starting to learn stuff alot from these forums but yeah i would agree that was bold now i think of it. Maybe i know the easy stuff yeah but i know im not just screwing around in the airplane but i know what im doing.

Sometimes its hard to tell the beginner from the semi-experienced, we often get questions from complete newbies on how best to land the 747, and they can't even find the airport first.  That was why I was suggesting some of the tutorials.  But if you know the basics and are ready to move up, we'll be here to help.  ;)

[tcco94]

Okay well I can fly and IFR but sometime the airtrafic will contact me to get back on route but i can make a straight in approach on the runway. Sometimes people think I just get in the bigger jets and crappity smack around..
Which im not all i ask for is like an easy guestion about my bad landings. Im starting to learn stuff alot from these forums but yeah i would agree that was bold now i think of it. Maybe i know the easy stuff yeah but i know im not just screwing around in the airplane but i know what im doing.

Sometimes its hard to tell the beginner from the semi-experienced, we often get questions from complete newbies on how best to land the 747, and they can't even find the airport first.

[Brett_Henderson]

I'm going to try one more time, because you really seem to want to learn. If you completely ignore me (like you've done many times), I'm done with this thread.

I think for my landing im going to disengage the autothrottle about 10 miles out of the airport and then when im about 100 feet above the runway put the throttle to idle and lift my nose up about 5 degress. You think this will work, or should i pitch the nose up more?  

You can't just pick distances and times to do things. You can't just pick a pitch and hope for the best. What you do and when you do it depends on many things....  

FIRST .. Your approach has to be set up according to your load. It has to be at the proper altitude and airspeed.. you'll be monitoring those, along with vertical-speed, all the way down. If you're set up properly, you'll be making very subtle pitch and power changes, all the way down. You add power when you're too low..  You pitch up if you're too fast.. and vice-versa for both...There is no set time to do any of it... it's a constant flowing process.

The only way you're going to get a feel for this, is to train in smaller, slower aircraft. Landing is an art as much as a science.

[tcco94]

Before i start in the smaller aircraft why when i land my brakes arnt stoping the airplane. Heres a pic i was landing at 152 knots and when i got to the touchdown i was at about 150 full flaps but still i ended up not stoping. My speed goes so, so, slow down when i hold the brakes..
If your going to say start on a smaller aircraft i know but those go slower and if i ever fly these again then id rather know why im not stoping

[tcco94]

[quote]

I'm going to try one more time, because you really seem to want to learn. If you completely ignore me (like you've done many times), I'm done with this thread.


[quote] I think for my landing im going to disengage the autothrottle about 10 miles out of the airport and then when im about 100 feet above the runway put the throttle to idle and lift my nose up about 5 degress. You think this will work, or should i pitch the nose up more?

[Hagar]

I fly propeller aircrafts alot, not as much at the big jets but for me those are more fun but what i dont get is how when i do fly a cessna your sapose to land like that. Dont you land with all 3 wheels or are you doing it diffrently...

Look at the little aeroplane in my sig. That's how it's done.

[Slotback]

tcco94, no offense but that picture of you landing is crazy and if pilots did that in real life we wouldn't have many aircraft still flying in the sky. We would however, have a surplus in aircraft grade aluminium cans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYB4NOv_I7Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IB9q4MF ... re=related

Just try and base your landings around those as close as possible. Renember, in a 737 you should decend at around 700 feet per minute on final approach, with the nose 2 -3 degrees ABOVE the horizon. Once you're low gently pull the nose up to acheive a SOFT landing within the first 1/3rd of the runway. In real life you idle throttles when you're 27 feet high, but for the moment idle them when you're comfortable. Read tutorials on ILS and PAPI lights too.

If you can't do them then re-read the tutorials and keep trying again. Once you master that we'll give you more advanced advice.