Will you be buying?

[Katahu]

I won't be buying unless I can get my hands on a rig that will allow me to run it with full settings. And, considering that I will probably never have such a system, I'll just have to learn to live without FSX.

You don't have to learn it. You're living without it right now.

[Lazerbeak]

You don't have to learn it. You're living without it right now.

True. I guess I just have to keep up what I'm doing then.

[Daube]

The bulk of our community say 70~90% are what might be categorized as casual gamers. purists and aviation enthusiasts account for a small minority. MS is not going to deliver what a small minority wants, there simply is not enough return in it for them. Hence things like air dynamics etc are taylored for the masses who would find aerodynamic concepts and historical accuracy too challenging. In other words, getting it right results in either a poor seller or a long life span product - not good for business.

But they did it for 20 years, since the first Flight simulator. Fortunatelly they are going smarter, and they will soon stop the flight sim serie to begin a new Crismon Skies serie for the next 20 years, right ?  ::)

An example is the fact that you hardly ever see anyone complain about the bull**** ground speed in any of these sims. Trust me on this, 200 feet altitude at 450 knots is very, very different from what you see in CFS1/2/3 FS9 etc. In the virtual world the average punter would fly straight into the side of a hill if MS sims were accurate in this respect. Although in my opinion they should at least get this one right as it would be a major selling point.

What do you mean there ? That what you see on your screen is not as you see it in real life ? LOL and then you proudly state that the sim is not precise ? Yeah most likely they have used some dumb math formula they took off from FeeSpace2, and applied it to FS to get less realism on purpose  ;D  ::)

I have programmed some similar application. The fact is that you will never get the same speed feeling as in real life, until the ground gets as detailed as in real life, and your screen gets as big as it can. BUT the sim is currently accurate, and there's just nothing to complain about. If you flight 450 mph at 200 feet in the sim during X seconds, you will go exactely the same distance as if you would flight 450 mph at 200 feet during X seconds in real life. Your small screen, your small resolution and the actual visual level of detail in the sims just can't give you the same feelling for now.  :P

Someone on this thread stated that FSX will have improved flight modelling, I don't think so.

Personally I would agree with the general concensus that MS are hedging toward gaming, i.e. xbox and it's offsprings.

Why ? Because they have adapted the interface so that you could pilot on a Joypad instead of a yoke ? Wow, do you know the first versions of the sim could be played with the mouse ? or even with the keyboard ? Sooooooo arcade, I tell you...  ;D
Does anybody there seriously think that FS could ever be played on a gaming Console ? No chance with the actual console players, and No chance either without a keyboard and a mouse.

For the enthusiast minority, I think it would be better to 'wait and see'. After all, plenty out there who are so eager to get the latest offering no matter what you tell em. This way there will be plenty of feedback, and at least FSX will have been given a chance.

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Alternatively, re-write all the airfiles, damage profiles, model scaling, and make accurate sound files. Then you have a half decent sim.

half-decent, you're even more pessimistic than I am  ;D

[x_jasper]

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What do you mean there ? That what you see on your screen is not as you see it in real life ? LOL and then you proudly state that the sim is not precise ? Yeah most likely they have used some dumb math formula they took off from FeeSpace2, and applied it to FS to get less realism on purpose

[Fozzer]

...Definitely......!

I just think that Uncle Bill and his designer crew try to give us what we wish for, within the bounds of cost, our capability, and sensibility.... ...!
As long as they are still interested in producing "reasonably good" flight Simulators for our "amusement", I will continue to support them by purchasing each version as it is released... ...!

Without our enthusiastic support, like everything else, the series will go down the pan, I'm sure... ...!

As I said before, it's only a flippin' "game" which we all enjoy, after all...
...like lots of my other enjoyable computer games which I play every day......!
LOL...!

Paul...I need to get out more......!

[Ashton Lawson]

Back to the subject of the forum.  Yes, I will buy FSX.  The only thing that'll change my mind about buying it, is if it costs $10,000,000, or if it looks worse than FS98 (which it doesn't).

Many may disagree, but FS is a game, to me, probably to MS, and to other people, but nomatter what you may call it, its still a great expierience, especially when they don't let capable 14-year-olds fly even a Cessna.

[Daube]

Ground speed in MS sims is a scaling issue, CFS3 being a fine example of this.

If it was correct in the sim then probably the average graphic / CPU would not be able to keep up with rendering such a large amount of data in such a short space of time.

Another example is CFS3 fly-by, even at 500MPH the fly by aircraft appears as though it was doing ~150-200MPH. Again, if it were realistic your average comp would not be able to render the graphics quick enough.

Actually, now I think of it I'll go into the CFS3 fly-by XML and see what happens by changing this--food for thought.

Jasper

You seem to be such an expert in simulation.

[Daube]

I've just re-read my post and realized it looked a little bit violent. X-jasper, I hope you won't be offended, sorry for that, just trying to explain, you know

[Katahu]

There are times [in real life] that I normally see airliners appear to nearly stall in the air while in fact, they are still flying at reasonable speeds. It has something to do with the laws of physics. The closer you are to the speed of light, the faster that time [outside the vehicle] goes by. So, to the outside observer the airliner would look like its near the stalling point while the passengers onboard would see the cars breaking all the speed limits.

However, I don't know if the laws apply to the simulator.

[F3Hadlow]

I'm waiting to see what others make of it before I decide purchase it. I'm happy with FS9 so I feel no need to rush out and get this latest upgrade the second it comes out.

[Fozzer]

I'm waiting to see what others make of it before I decide purchase it. I'm happy with FS9 so I feel no need to rush out and get this latest upgrade the second it comes out.

Aww....Go on... ...!
You know you wont be able to resist it... ...!

The nice new cardboard box with a picture of an aeroplane on the front, and a shiny jewel case inside containing some disks that reflect the wide smile on your face stretching from ear to ear.... ...!

It's going to happen, and you know it... ...!

LOL...!

Paul... ...!

[vololiberista]

Aww....Go on... ...!
You know you wont be able to resist it... ...!

The nice new cardboard box with a picture of an aeroplane on the front, and a shiny jewel case inside containing some disks that reflect the wide smile on your face stretching from ear to ear.... ...!

It's going to happen, and you know it... ...!
LOL...!
Paul... ...!

Some of obviously don't have ANY self control!!!  ;D
Vololiberista

[x_jasper]

Daube,

Ask yourself this: did I at any time say there was an error with aircraft speed at low level.

Do you really believe that if you were in an aircraft doing ~450+ Kts at 200' and you looked out to port at say a church or other building that it would gently pass you by as you merely poodled along at a mere 500MPH?

If you do then I can only think you must be one of those rare individuals who thinks Aircrew headgear is designed to withstand crash impact.


Close objects whizz past at those speeds and altitudes---fact. You also have to remember 500MPH is in the realms of average bullet speed.


KMA

Jasper

[ashaman]

Not buying.

Actually not even taking it for free. If someone wanted to make me a present of it, I would ask for an exchange with something else and better (not a difficult task nor a long stretch at all).

[cavity]

I remember when FS9 came out and I was running 2002.  I said no, dont get it.   It wont run well, let them work the bugs out.  Ill have to patch it.  Got it the next day.  Still have everything that came with it, tin box and all the cards.  It really is becoming  something to collect, although I cant find anything from 2002!  I say Ill wait, then Ill see a screenshot of an Airbus approaching ahead of a thunderstorm, and Ill buy it.  It is getting rather tedious building them up over two years and then starting all over again.  It has taken me those two years just to get a stable system, and I still have issues at times.  It almost like the challenge of trying to make it perfect keeps ya going.  Either that or I need a sledge to the head to straighten me out.  Todd