FSX & SLI

[ATI_7500]

I would prefer what you consider the lesser card for the cheaper price until the real DX10 cards are on the market.

Define "real" Dx-10 cards, please.

I thought Dx-10 was mostly about those unified shaders, which are supported by the G80 chip.

Then why are you having problems trimming out FSX and why are you searching for settings and tweaks? I never said the combination was bad but from an engineering standpoint and from someone who knows you're system is no where near what the professional graphics industry considers 'high end', what you have is what the industry and FSX considers a low/mid-range tower. The only way you would be a solid mid-range in the professional graphics world is if you were running a E6800 with a 8800GTX.  :D

"Professional industry" and "consumer" can't be compared.

The industry has the money, the consumer doesn't.

Why would you ask that?

Well, you kind of bash the 8800 series?



Anyways, I'm gonna bug out on this one. I don't want to get infected with the bad feeling of a mispurchase of hardware.

Or to put it differently: The king wants to sit comfortably on his throne.

[Black ZR-1]

I would prefer what you consider the lesser card for the cheaper price until the real DX10 cards are on the market.

Define "real" Dx-10 cards, please.

I thought Dx-10 was mostly about those unified shaders, which are supported by the G80 chip.


[quote]Then why are you having problems trimming out FSX and why are you searching for settings and tweaks? I never said the combination was bad but from an engineering standpoint and from someone who knows you're system is no where near what the professional graphics industry considers 'high end', what you have is what the industry and FSX considers a low/mid-range tower. The only way you would be a solid mid-range in the professional graphics world is if you were running a E6800 with a 8800GTX.

[Nick N]

I would prefer what you consider the lesser card for the cheaper price until the real DX10 cards are on the market.

Define "real" Dx-10 cards, please.

I thought Dx-10 was mostly about those unified shaders, which are supported by the G80 chip.


[quote]Then why are you having problems trimming out FSX and why are you searching for settings and tweaks? I never said the combination was bad but from an engineering standpoint and from someone who knows you're system is no where near what the professional graphics industry considers 'high end', what you have is what the industry and FSX considers a low/mid-range tower. The only way you would be a solid mid-range in the professional graphics world is if you were running a E6800 with a 8800GTX.

[Fly2e]

Heretic just needs to come to grips that you can't keep up with the technology race.  ;)
I sucked up to that a long time ago!
It is hard to hear the truth  ;)

[Nick N]

I would prefer what you consider the lesser card for the cheaper price until the real DX10 cards are on the market.

Define "real" Dx-10 cards, please.

I thought Dx-10 was mostly about those unified shaders, which are supported by the G80 chip.


[quote]Then why are you having problems trimming out FSX and why are you searching for settings and tweaks? I never said the combination was bad but from an engineering standpoint and from someone who knows you're system is no where near what the professional graphics industry considers 'high end', what you have is what the industry and FSX considers a low/mid-range tower. The only way you would be a solid mid-range in the professional graphics world is if you were running a E6800 with a 8800GTX.

[ATI_7500]

I am sorry if you take offense at the suggestion that you may have purchased hardware which did not provide the results you seek in MSFS10.

That comes out wrong.

My expectations towards FSX after having read the reviews were quite low.
And no Flight Simulator ever works like you want it to without tweaking - may it be about performance or looks.

If I was so disappointed  about FSX's performance, I wouldn't have sent my FS9 to kingdom come.

I am not the person here who is bashing with personal comments. It's unfortunate that some people, especially young adults, tend to see a critique of a product brand, or their choice of components which they may be using in their system as an insult. I am not here to drag race anyone or play "mine is bigger or faster than yours'. I grew out of that when I was 16.

Well, the "young adults" had to work quite hard to be able to spend their money on the things they're proud of. Understandable and perfectly natural that they want to show off what they got.

[Nick N]

I have just been informed that system performance tuning has not been accomplished as of yet.

My recommendation is we place this thread on hold until that has been done.

Tuning FSX without first setting up a system properly for performance will throw calibration of the game software off.

I wish to point out that along with what was posted in that thread, the start registry needs to be looked at. The software Spybots Search and Destroy has a nice feature under its ADVANCED settings in the TOOLS menu for displaying a list of SYSTEM STARTUP. It would help a great deal if that software was used to display the list and then post a screen shot of it here for analysis.

Be aware that any product by Symantec in the form of AV or Internet security is a huge resource drain and even shut down will remove as much as 25% of a systems ability to render. The major problem with Symantec is that once it is installed, uninstalling leaves quite a bit of garbage behind and requires more than just uninstalling to truly get rid of it.

The AV products AVG, AVAST would be the choices for freeware and NOD32 the choice for payware. No other scanner is needed in the background as long as WindowsXP SP2 is indeed installed and updated, the Windows Firewall is enabled and you have a good Spyware scanner that installs browser protection but does not run on boot and leaves no footprint on resources such as Spybots Search and Destroy. Spy Sweeper and other scanners that run on Windows boot take resources and are not on my list of favorites for a game tower.

[Nick N]

Well, the "young adults" had to work quite hard to be able to spend their money on the things they're proud of. Understandable and perfectly natural that they want to show off what they got.

Key Words and they are you're own: SHOW OFF


I am not trying to 'SHOW OFF' what I got

I am trying to assist someone achieve the best results possible with the hardware they are using.

Please keep the innuendo and the comments such as 'King' on this throne' to yourself and reserve that type of communication to the testosterone pool that young males tend to suffer from until one day they end up doing something stupid and learn just how ridiculous they acted.

[Black ZR-1]

I have just been informed that system performance tuning has not been accomplished as of yet.

My recommendation is we place this thread on hold until that has been done.

Tuning FSX without first setting up a system properly for performance will throw calibration of the game software off.

I wish to point out that along with what was posted in that thread, the start registry needs to be looked at. The software Spybots Search and Destroy has a nice feature under its ADVANCED settings in the TOOLS menu for displaying a list of SYSTEM STARTUP. It would help a great deal if that software was used to display the list and then post a screen shot of it here for analysis.

Be aware that any product by Symantec in the form of AV or Internet security is a huge resource drain and even shut down will remove as much as 25% of a systems ability to render. The major problem with Symantec is that once it is installed, uninstalling leaves quite a bit of garbage behind and requires more than just uninstalling to truly get rid of it.

The AV products AVG, AVAST would be the choices for freeware and NOD32 the choice for payware. No other scanner is needed in the background as long as WindowsXP SP2 is indeed installed and updated, the Windows Firewall is enabled and you have a good Spyware scanner that installs browser protection but does not run on boot and leaves no footprint on resources such as Spybots Search and Destroy. Spy Sweeper and other scanners that run on Windows boot take resources and are not on my list of favorites for a game tower.

Got your PM's. I will tackle this tonight before I do any more FSX tunning.

Also, what do you think about Microsoft Defender when it comes to system resources? I use it what Lavasoft can't detect.

[justpassingthrough]

I have just been informed that system performance tuning has not been accomplished as of yet.

My recommendation is we place this thread on hold until that has been done.

Tuning FSX without first setting up a system properly for performance will throw calibration of the game software off.

I wish to point out that along with what was posted in that thread, the start registry needs to be looked at. The software Spybots Search and Destroy has a nice feature under its ADVANCED settings in the TOOLS menu for displaying a list of SYSTEM STARTUP. It would help a great deal if that software was used to display the list and then post a screen shot of it here for analysis.

Be aware that any product by Symantec in the form of AV or Internet security is a huge resource drain and even shut down will remove as much as 25% of a systems ability to render. The major problem with Symantec is that once it is installed, uninstalling leaves quite a bit of garbage behind and requires more than just uninstalling to truly get rid of it.

The AV products AVG, AVAST would be the choices for freeware and NOD32 the choice for payware. No other scanner is needed in the background as long as WindowsXP SP2 is indeed installed and updated, the Windows Firewall is enabled and you have a good Spyware scanner that installs browser protection but does not run on boot and leaves no footprint on resources such as Spybots Search and Destroy. Spy Sweeper and other scanners that run on Windows boot take resources and are not on my list of favorites for a game tower.

ACK!!!

I agree. I would not be able to run they way I do with out that thread (or the personal help)  

Well, the "young adults" had to work quite hard to be able to spend their money on the things they're proud of. Understandable and perfectly natural that they want to show off what they got.

Son, just a piece of advice from an "old bold' pilot who survived (and they are rare my friend)

There is always someone who is and will be better than me and who may very well have better hardware or recon intel

I learned a very long time ago as soon as I crawled in the cockpit for a mission that someone who was better than me will most likely show up and I quickly learned a great respect for them, enemy or not. That attitude change goes a long way in life. It saved my ass more than once and required I get shot down before I realized just how ignorant I was with my arrogance.

[Nick N]

I have just been informed that system performance tuning has not been accomplished as of yet.

My recommendation is we place this thread on hold until that has been done.

Tuning FSX without first setting up a system properly for performance will throw calibration of the game software off.

I wish to point out that along with what was posted in that thread, the start registry needs to be looked at. The software Spybots Search and Destroy has a nice feature under its ADVANCED settings in the TOOLS menu for displaying a list of SYSTEM STARTUP. It would help a great deal if that software was used to display the list and then post a screen shot of it here for analysis.

Be aware that any product by Symantec in the form of AV or Internet security is a huge resource drain and even shut down will remove as much as 25% of a systems ability to render. The major problem with Symantec is that once it is installed, uninstalling leaves quite a bit of garbage behind and requires more than just uninstalling to truly get rid of it.

The AV products AVG, AVAST would be the choices for freeware and NOD32 the choice for payware. No other scanner is needed in the background as long as WindowsXP SP2 is indeed installed and updated, the Windows Firewall is enabled and you have a good Spyware scanner that installs browser protection but does not run on boot and leaves no footprint on resources such as Spybots Search and Destroy. Spy Sweeper and other scanners that run on Windows boot take resources and are not on my list of favorites for a game tower.

Got your PM's. I will tackle this tonight before I do any more FSX tunning.

Also, what do you think about Microsoft Defender when it comes to system resources? I use it what Lavasoft can't detect.

Defender is actually spyware but it does work. In Windows Vista it has the ability to sense if you have software installed that is not properly registered and/or illegal. It informs Micorsoft systems which then have the ability to uninstall the software from you're system or render it useless. Need I go on?

[Fly2e]

Bjorn,
FYI!!!

The FSX forum is for asking questions.
We will not let this start all over again!
The FSX Forum is not a pedestal to trash people, products or other's opinions!

If you have forgotten or did not read this before you recently re-registered, here it is!
http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2 ... 1166872480


Thanks!!

Dave

[Nick N]

Bjorn,
FYI!!!

The FSX forum is for asking questions.
We will not let this start all over again!
The FSX Forum is not a pedestal to trash people, products or other's opinions!

If you have forgotten or did not read this before you recently re-registered, here it is!
http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2 ... 1166872480


Thanks!!

Dave

Its OK Dave. I understand where he is coming from and reviewing my posts I can understand why he may feel I was being bias to ATi. I was simply pointing out the reality of the hardware and the manufactures and in the process my commentary did appear a bit bias. I did slag both compaines off and thought I gave them an equal thrashing

[Nick N]

I have just been informed that system performance tuning has not been accomplished as of yet.

My recommendation is we place this thread on hold until that has been done.

Tuning FSX without first setting up a system properly for performance will throw calibration of the game software off.

I wish to point out that along with what was posted in that thread, the start registry needs to be looked at. The software Spybots Search and Destroy has a nice feature under its ADVANCED settings in the TOOLS menu for displaying a list of SYSTEM STARTUP. It would help a great deal if that software was used to display the list and then post a screen shot of it here for analysis.

Be aware that any product by Symantec in the form of AV or Internet security is a huge resource drain and even shut down will remove as much as 25% of a systems ability to render. The major problem with Symantec is that once it is installed, uninstalling leaves quite a bit of garbage behind and requires more than just uninstalling to truly get rid of it.

The AV products AVG, AVAST would be the choices for freeware and NOD32 the choice for payware. No other scanner is needed in the background as long as WindowsXP SP2 is indeed installed and updated, the Windows Firewall is enabled and you have a good Spyware scanner that installs browser protection but does not run on boot and leaves no footprint on resources such as Spybots Search and Destroy. Spy Sweeper and other scanners that run on Windows boot take resources and are not on my list of favorites for a game tower.

Got your PM's. I will tackle this tonight before I do any more FSX tunning.

Also, what do you think about Microsoft Defender when it comes to system resources? I use it what Lavasoft can't detect.

Be aware that it may take a few nights of work to complete the scans and the defrag runs. It will depend on how much information you run on the drives and how big they are. Do not skip defrag steps to speed up the process. It is very important the defrag passes be run back -to- back because the first 2 passes never does the job completely even though the GUI shows the files are in order. A COMPLETE\NAME defrag usually takes at least 2-3 passes with a Windows reboot in between each pass for the files to truly be in correct order. Make sure you set up the software as directed prior to using it.

Follow the steps in the order they are presented because the boot system must be changed, flushed and rebuilt prior to O&O use.

Make sure to run the DISK CHECK as I described in my post above before doing anything else in the list. When you reach the disk check item in the list you can then skip it.

[Black ZR-1]

I have just been informed that system performance tuning has not been accomplished as of yet.

My recommendation is we place this thread on hold until that has been done.

Tuning FSX without first setting up a system properly for performance will throw calibration of the game software off.

I wish to point out that along with what was posted in that thread, the start registry needs to be looked at. The software Spybots Search and Destroy has a nice feature under its ADVANCED settings in the TOOLS menu for displaying a list of SYSTEM STARTUP. It would help a great deal if that software was used to display the list and then post a screen shot of it here for analysis.

Be aware that any product by Symantec in the form of AV or Internet security is a huge resource drain and even shut down will remove as much as 25% of a systems ability to render. The major problem with Symantec is that once it is installed, uninstalling leaves quite a bit of garbage behind and requires more than just uninstalling to truly get rid of it.

The AV products AVG, AVAST would be the choices for freeware and NOD32 the choice for payware. No other scanner is needed in the background as long as WindowsXP SP2 is indeed installed and updated, the Windows Firewall is enabled and you have a good Spyware scanner that installs browser protection but does not run on boot and leaves no footprint on resources such as Spybots Search and Destroy. Spy Sweeper and other scanners that run on Windows boot take resources and are not on my list of favorites for a game tower.

Got your PM's. I will tackle this tonight before I do any more FSX tunning.

Also, what do you think about Microsoft Defender when it comes to system resources? I use it what Lavasoft can't detect.

Be aware that it may take a few nights of work to complete the scans and the defrag runs. It will depend on how much information you run on the drives and how big they are. Do not skip defrag steps to speed up the process. It is very important the defrag passes be run back -to- back because the first 2 passes never does the job completely even though the GUI shows the files are in order. A COMPLETE\NAME defrag usually takes at least 2-3 passes with a Windows reboot in between each pass for the files to truly be in correct order. Make sure you set up the software as directed prior to using it.

Follow the steps in the order they are presented because the boot system must be changed, flushed and rebuilt prior to O&O use.

Make sure to run the DISK CHECK as I described in my post above before doing anything else in the list. When you reach the disk check item in the list you can then skip it.

I defragged my HD just last week. I will do everything step-by-step as you & mil have described.