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VOR Guidance

Postby RacingLad » Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:34 pm

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Re: VOR Guidance

Postby garymbuska » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:21 pm

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Re: VOR Guidance

Postby Brett_Henderson » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:04 pm

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Re: VOR Guidance

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Re: VOR Guidance

Postby BFMF » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:59 pm

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I am curious since when is 1200agl below 1000agl
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Re: VOR Guidance

Postby Brett_Henderson » Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:19 am

[quote]I am curious since when is 1200agl below 1000agl
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Re: VOR Guidance

Postby Snave » Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:10 pm

Good airmanship would have you circumvent an overflight while en route and not under direct ATC control.

The reason is simple: If all the `moths` are flying around a particular `flame, the chances of two moths coming together in the air is substantially greater. Nasty! If you go for an overflight, then ALL aircraft following the same idea will all arrive at the same point in the sky. It's only timing, vertical separation and plain old luck to keep them apart - and they'll be flying in from every direction!

So no, unless you like dogfighting I wouldn't overfly the field unless I was told to do so by ATC...

Instead I would fly a circuitous course around the VOR, in the same direction as prevailing aircraft using the field (to minimise the speed difference and maximise time to react to imminent conflict) but a set distance from it, in the manner of a `hold`. I would then recover the original course and utilise the `from` radial on the VOR to resume the journey, achieving the desired track by using the HDG function throughout.

Sounds complex but it's very, very simple:
Set yourself a 5 mile limit on the VOR. When you approach the VOR flying directly toward it, listen to the radio traffic for the field and learn the pattern direction and runway in use. At about 6 miles out open the GPS and use the pictorial representation in high zoom to match your circuit to the fields, but five miles out. Turn the aircraft away from the field using the HDG mode. Stay around 1200ft AGL, as you don't want to crossing the approach or departure `lanes` at a height that is even close to what the traffic would be at five miles out, so you ensure vertical separation. Use the HDG bug and the A/P in hdg mode to scoot around the circumference keep the distance as near five miles as you can (moving the hfg bug about ten degrees a time usually works).

LEAVE the VOR needle on the  previously set `to` course.

As you work your way round the airfield and the VOR you will eventually notice the needle go into `From` mode with the arrow pointing back rather than forward. when the needle itself goes live and starts to move again, turn back towards your original course (still in HDG mode), then as the needle gets one dot out you can finally switch BACK to NAV mode and the aircraft will smoothly regain the same course as before.

If you look at the FS map at this point you will see how you have tracked right around the airfield, like a wheel around a hub, but picked up the exact same line on the map as you would have if you had actually overflown.

Easier to do than say. General pilotage rules say stay away from airfields unless you intend to use them, or the `corridor` to fly over or around them is clearly known and understood by all traffic.

Having mastered this you should then move on to flying in corridors by looking at how you can flight plan for these corridors in the sim. Eventually, you can program all these routes - and the circuitous avoidance of airfields and other areas into the GPS and let that control the whole flight and do the avoiding for you..!
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Re: VOR Guidance

Postby Brett_Henderson » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:43 pm

Let's forget about the practical impossibility of avoiding airport over-flight, for now (I'll get to that later), and focus on the topic at hand..

Over-flying airports while tracking a VOR that is located at an airport.

First off.. the 'moth-to-flame' analogy would have nothing to do with the fact that the VOR is at an airport. Any airport traffic would be at or near pattern altitude by the time they're within several miles of the airport. They'd be the least of your concern when you're well above the pattern. In fact.. right over the runway would be THE safest place to be, because as you get a few miles from dead-center, you'd be crossing paths will all the ascending/descending traffic. Trying to skirt the perimeter would have you much more likely to face converging traffic, than simply flying directly over it.

The, 'moths-to-a-flame' theory is somewhat applicable to a VOR itself (regardless of whether or not it's at an airport), because obviously, it's a navigational focal point. We'll assume that we are not filed IFR, or even VFR flight following, because that is where ATC would be monitoring our position, and "telling" us where to fly. Similar to the airport situation.. the perimeter is like a no-mans-land. If everyone tracking a VOR radial (intending to fly TO it, and track another radial FROM it) tried to improvise a circumnavigation, all you'd really have is a big gray-area of changing headings and semi-circular courses; where the only safe seperation comes from strictly obeying VFR cruising altitudes. And that becomes iffy when your course is a semi-circle. You could very well end up flying at the wrong altitude at some point. Again.. the best method would be to fly directly TO/FROM and (to quote the FAA) maintain strict VFR altitudes and apply extra vigelance near the VOR. Trying to execute this circumnavigation would in fact be a distraction.

Now.. realistically ?
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Re: VOR Guidance

Postby MeekRN » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:00 pm

this is by far the best page i have found to help with navigation...
start from the begining and even parts that you already know make sure you do them  as a refresher...

it has made flight simulator 1000000% more enjoyable for me.

i can use the navigation to fly hundreds of miles and land on a runway using the ILS and never have to look out the windshield.

http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/index.htm

there is even a panel used specifically for navigation that is very helpful on the link
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