Worth moving to vista and DX10?

[ThePilot_Ace]

Hey don't understand what you mean by "Vista? 5 Years?" thing but anyway.. how are high spec machines today which can't even run FSX on full settings be medium-end machines when FS11 comes out around 2010-2011?

[bgyuk]

Thing is i have vista business 64 bit. I get all OS for free though my computing degree. Im just looking was just looking fr advice from people who have upgraded.

Thanks for all the help, might just give it a bash, worst case i'll move back to XP 64 if it doesnt work.

[Al_Fallujah]

Been running Vista 64bit for about 3 months now.
The only crashes I had were a due to a bad RAM stick.
Took it out, after memtest showed me the failures.
I have not had a single crash since then.

[machineman9]

It's a bit obvious DX10 GPUs and Multicore CPUs will give a performance benefit. However, Vista does not and I would like to see some solid evidence that it does.

http://ops.precisionmanuals.com/wiki/74 ... erformance

Also, I've seen loads of posts in Avsim complaining about DX10 problems and texture issues.

The DX10 problem is probably either the graphics card, or the way the textures were made. Not every texture is DX10 compatible. You shouldn't blame the software for being incompatible when you don't make what you are giving to the software to draw is incompatible... As one wise man would say "FSX runs fine, the problems are either you or your system" or something along those lines.


Vista gives you a performance increase. It actually uses the cores and memory better. Everyone says 'Oohh Vista eats all your memory' but actually memory not used, is memory wasted.



FSX + Vista = Defo.

Vista isn't too bad to run, and with your specs you will be absolutely fine.

[rikm12345]

Vista x64 installed for a week now and im very happy, especially in DX10 mode, which is where all the performance comes from.

I have a few aircrafts which are not compliant, do not support DX10, hey ho. If i can work out how to convert the textures myself i will, unless its beyond me.

If i run in DX9 mode under Vista, im not swayed. DX10 gives me really smooth flights, and the light bloom works without eating frames.

The aircrafts i have running under DX10 are Flight1 Pilatus, carenado moooney and cherokee, digital aviation piper cheyenne, level-D 767, PMDG 747, Wilco E-Jets (pity the 737 & 777 dont work :-()


I can live without some models not working under DX10 just for the performace boost for the rest.

If your considering moving to Vista, check out if your models you have purchased are compatable and if there are any upgrades/patches.

What we need is another Guide, but purely for vista, with do's and dont's.

This link was handy
http://www.flight1.com/view.asp?page=vista

Also this info from NickN
In Vista, disable the following:

1. Completely shut down the Defender Program/Service
2. Completely disable UAC
3. Completely disable Aero
4. I assume you already did but completely shut down the Indexing Service
5. Completely shut down System Restore
6. Completely shut down Automatic updates but only the GUI automatic update setting, not the service and manually go (browse) to Windows Update once a month.
7. Use NOD32 as the security software, nothing else


After doing the above i also made sure that Users for each of my hard drives had Full controls by right clicking on them, choosing properties, Security Tab, Click Users, Choose Edit, Select Full Control.




Rik

[reider]

Hey don't understand what you mean by "Vista? 5 Years?" thing but anyway.. how are high spec machines today which can't even run FSX on full settings be medium-end machines when FS11 comes out around 2010-2011?

No, lets get this right.

[ThePilot_Ace]

Hey don't understand what you mean by "Vista? 5 Years?" thing but anyway.. how are high spec machines today which can't even run FSX on full settings be medium-end machines when FS11 comes out around 2010-2011?

No, lets get this right.

[reider]

Reider, how can you be sure the next OS will be out in the next 5 years? The newer versions always take longer to build than their predecessors. It's a well known fact that everything always gets delayed anyway due to bugs etc.

From wilkipedia and available plenty of other sources.....

Windows 7, (formerly codenamed Blackcomb and later Vienna) is the working name for the next major version of Microsoft Windows as the successor to Windows Vista.[2] Microsoft has announced that it is "scoping Windows 7 development to a three-year timeframe", and that "the specific release date will ultimately be determined by meeting the quality bar."[3] Windows 7 is expected to be released late 2009 or near January 2010.[1] The client versions of Windows 7 will ship in both 32-bit and 64-bit versions.[3] A server variant, codenamed Windows Server 7, is also under development.

Moving on to the next bit of the fable.....

I'm saying Vista is a hassle - why move to Vista when you're happy with XP, I just don't understand (unless you're buying a brand new PC/have money to spend (no problem with that, but I'd rather upgrade a CPU)/have lots of time in the holidays lol ).

Once again you assume (badly) that because it doesn`t work well for you it doesn`t work well for anyone else.

[ThePilot_Ace]

Again, you can't be sure. Software always gets delayed. Fact.

I'm not assuming anything.. why move to Vista when XP is perfectly fine?

I never asked you for proof.

And sometimes "perfomance increases" can be due to biased opinion, pyschological reason or maybe because the new Vista installed into one's system is completely fresh and doesn't have a lot of junk/frangmented files etc. as the old OS one once had installed.


The reason why I'm posting in this topic is because I don't want bgyuk to be disappointed after going through the hassle of installing a new OS. If you upgrade to Vista(/DX10) the only difference you will see (if any) will be very very minor (in terms of performance (acording to people in this topic) and eye-candy - it's been well documented that FSX's DX10 mode isn't the full "DX10 package" (read PhilTaylor's blog). edit: to be honest, I think I remember PhilT. even saying in his blog somewhere that Vista will not increase performance.

If you want to see a difference get a new and better CPU!!

[machineman9]

And sometimes "perfomance increases" can be due to biased opinion, pyschological reason or maybe because the new Vista installed into one's system is completely fresh and doesn't have a lot of junk/frangmented files etc. as the old OS one once had installed.

It should give you a performance increase just because of how Vista uses your hardware. It has better core support (where I believe XP couldn't fully utalise quad, or even dual that well) and it uses the memory better.

XP was built around old hardware, and old needs. Vista was built around new hardware and it does the job much better.

[ThePilot_Ace]

In terms of everyday desktop tasks this is could be true (I don't really know?)

However, it is the game itself which determines the way the cores are utilised.

Vista also uses up much more memory than XP so those on 1GB memory will probably get a slight decrease in performance.

[reider]

Wrong once again about the memory!

[ThePilot_Ace]

Hi Reider, lets get this straight. I never wanted to "waste" your time and I NEVER asked YOU for "proof" (evidence is different to proof, hence why evidence in court doesn't necessarily prove that someone's guilty).

See this is an example of the hassle Vista causes and can be annoying for new users - having to turn off services, switch security settings etc. I just don't see the point. I'm not attacking Vista, I'm just pointing out it's cons. Obviously it does have some pros (DX10, aero, better multicore usage on desktop etc.) however I don't think they're worth it - if you're not buying a new PC - stay with XP. Vista isn't the holy grail your looking for imo.

[Brett_Henderson]

The original poster's question (he hasn't returned

[ptrkrsh]

I have been running FSX on a vista machine since the os released, having xp installed on this machine prior to installing vista I can say that fsx does run better, although just slightly, on vista. Follow the advice of nick n  to set up your vista system and you will most likely have the same opinion.