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Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby wifesaysno » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:34 pm

First off, I took a guess on where to put this poll admins, sorry if misplaced.

Now on to the real question...
Airliners or General Aviation OR Vintage? Which do YOU prefer?

There seems to be an awful lot of virtual bus drivers-sorry airline pilots  ;) - around. Personally I cannot stand them. I need a small piston or vintage plane to feel happy.

So what is your preference? Feel free to explain. Aviation (even virtual) requires all types of interests to thrive!

by the way, if you choose 'other' I have to ask: what the heck are you flying?! A boat?! ;)
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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby Rocket_Bird » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:08 am

From the pilot standpoint, I chose vintage.  The thing that makes vintage interesting for me is that a lot of the aircraft in this category tend to have an attitude of their own: unstable flight characteristics, tactful engine management, limited navigational instruments, unpredictable at times... just to name a few.  They require quite a bit more skill to fly and are outrageously rewarding when flown properly.  They also keep me on my toes.

I'd put general aviation right up there as well as a close second (mostly speaking about prop planes and the like).  Still requires a bit of a flexible mind to fly them, and they still have their quirks.  Flying GA tends to give me a sense of freedom as well.

As for airliners... I used to be big on them a while back.  The obvious appeal is the technology and the speed.  Learning procedures on an airliner are rewarding in itself, but I find that once I understood how everything works, it's not as exciting as zipping around in something lighter.  On airliners, it's mostly autopilot flying, and flying on prescribed "highways" into all too familiar airports.  Thus, Vintage and GA tend to be at the top of my list for the time being.
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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby Fozzer » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:35 am

My choice of aircraft during all my years of flight simming has always been General Aviation; mostly piston props; microlights, singles, and light twins.
They have been the most practical type for my daily explorations of the (Microsoft) countryside.

Vintage aircraft remind me too much of my years of owning various vintage motorcycles and motor cars, and their various troubles! (Nostalgia mostly involves pushing them back home again!).

Commercial passenger jets are an extreme rarity for me. I don't travel far enough to warrant one!

Military jets are very limited (BAC Jet Provost Trainer). Only used to get from A to B very, very quickly!

For daily use, my Cessna 150/152 Aerobat, with its instrument panel fully kitted-out with all the modern radios, nav-aids, etc, is the most practical aircraft, and fulfills most of my requirements.

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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby Jetranger » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:27 am

I prefer Vintage Propliners from like the 1940's , 1950's 1960's era. Preferbally those with 2 or more engines. Seems like all you see anymore on some of these Flight Sim sites are the same Airbuses again & again or the Same Boeings time & time again just different shots by different sim pilots. and lastly I now hear theres yet another Boeing 737-200 coming out soon, like theres not enough to choose from already along with 747's 777's 757's 787's 737-400 series on up,, gessshh how many of these same Tubes with wings painted in some corporate logo do we really need if everyone is designing the same aircraft. About like those Big huge Airport, what is there like 5 or 7 San Francisco airport sceneries you can buy now from different developers, seems everybody is following or copycating everybody else with no individual~ness at all. Most of my propliners are FREEWARE with the exception of about 5. theres a lot of these Vintage propliners that need better quality , now that we have better rendering tools and better graphics and design tools to design them with, unlike 5 or even 10 years ago !  To me Flying is really boring if all your gonna do is fly around at 20,000ft to 35,000ft at 400 to 600 mph, and land at mega airports, soon all those Tubes with Wings start looking the same , just different logos down the sides,  its like everyones got the same Shirt on' , just in different Sizes ! I like to fly propliners to regional airports out of the way, along rivers, valleys, canyons, beaches, islands, etc. not just hang around big mega airports which from what I've seen are mostly painted Gray and boring anyway. just my personel prefrence tho ~ !ImageImageImageImageImage
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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby wifesaysno » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:00 am

Very nice guys! I really like that last picture jetranger  ;)

I will make a concession on flying airliners: I LOVE taking those this and trying to do 'unconventional' flying. That is, the so called 'tactical approach' as displayed by the  Blue Angel's C-130 named Fat Albert.

Still, considering I work on WACOs and Great Lakes trainers (designs from the 30's) I have to say I am liking vintage more and more. Our showcase WACO has been totaled a few times and did an off-field rough landing yet do to her simplicity and reliability she is still flying....albeit with a tad more right rudder in than other YMF-5s!  ;D
I dare you to find a Cirrus SR-- that has been totaled TWICE and is still flying. Oh, yes during each crash in the WACO everyone walked away with just a case of the shakes.  ;)

In short, Im a vintage guy: planes got character and a temperament. That and as an aeronautical engineer student I trust the old school style of engineering over the new methods!  ;D
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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby Jetranger » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:03 am

Also, I notice hardly any Developer out there has come up with a Newer Decent version of Salt Lake City Airport , Salt Lake City , Utah - USA, a fairly Big Airport - but we have like 6 or 7 LAX / LosAngeles airports to choose from, all kinds of SFO Airports / San Francisco, Miami , Chicago, New York, Hong Kong, Frankfrut, etc, but hardly any Salt Lake City International Airports thats been recently Developed by any good Payware Developers seems strange !!! Also many others that could be developed that aren't instead of all this copying everybody else what everybody else is doing , following each other in circles chasing after the same left over cake crumbs,,,, then again what do I know, I'm just sum dumb Sim Pilot . :-/ :-/ :-X ::) :oImageImage
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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby Jetranger » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:12 am

Then again, as usual, I strive to be different and unlike everybody else, I never did like following others, seen them run off the edge of a cliff to many times and glad I wasn't following them ! Heres another one of my Favorite Vintage Aircraft to Fly, the AVIO Propliner seen on my YOU TUBE Channel ------} [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftJhW_6EpJk[/media]
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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby Scatterbrain Kid » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:48 am

I'm mostly a CIVIL VINTAGE NUT 1920's-30's as my FSX selection screen shows (below), most are freeware FS2004 and fly fine in FSX, some don't have VC's but i can live with that as i fly mostly in external view anyway..:)

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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby jetprop » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:00 pm

I prefer GA and vintage above any flying,military comes second tough especialy older jets like the rolus mirage. 8-)

I've never seen anything in tubes,I do fly the ocasional 737 private(just barely any payload) and sometimes an MD-80 but thats about it,but I kinda like lears too. ;)
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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby wifesaysno » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:09 pm

Oh yes the Lear 45 is a hoot too. At first I did not care for it, but my dad being a Lear 45 pilot got me hooked on it. I figured there must be something about that plane if my dad would come home from a long flight in it and then load it up in the sim!

I REALLY wish there was a nice Falcon 10 out there though for FS2004 or even FSX. I have been in that plane numerous times (ground and air) and know several pilots. All agree 'the 10' is a fighter at heart and flies like it.
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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby jetprop » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:16 pm

Oh yes the Lear 45 is a hoot too. At first I did not care for it, but my dad being a Lear 45 pilot got me hooked on it. I figured there must be something about that plane if my dad would come home from a long flight in it and then load it up in the sim!

I REALLY wish there was a nice Falcon 10 out there though for FS2004 or even FSX. I have been in that plane numerous times (ground and air) and know several pilots. All agree 'the 10' is a fighter at heart and flies like it.

http://simviation.com/1/search?submit=1 ... p&x=13&y=8
Will this help?
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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby wifesaysno » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:58 pm

Oh yes the Lear 45 is a hoot too. At first I did not care for it, but my dad being a Lear 45 pilot got me hooked on it. I figured there must be something about that plane if my dad would come home from a long flight in it and then load it up in the sim!

I REALLY wish there was a nice Falcon 10 out there though for FS2004 or even FSX. I have been in that plane numerous times (ground and air) and know several pilots. All agree 'the 10' is a fighter at heart and flies like it.

http://simviation.com/1/search?submit=1 ... p&x=13&y=8
Will this help?


I need a VC. To me a really good sim plane has to have a clean looking and functional cockpit. Im okay with not having EVERY switch, lever, button, or knob-like-device movable, but I personally cannot stand photo panels or having the artificial co-pilot in there with you..they just creep me out. I can be a bit picky. Still, I greatly appreciate all the aircraft designer's work, more planes = more interest in the sim and aviation (at least in my book).
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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby jetprop » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:03 pm

Sorry,didn't read the description;will a dasault 50 do?
http://simviation.com/1/search?submit=1 ... ip&x=6&y=7
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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby wifesaysno » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:58 pm

Sorry,didn't read the description;will a dasault 50 do?
http://simviation.com/1/search?submit=1 ... ip&x=6&y=7


meh...aw what the heck why not?  ;)
A Falcon is a Falcon right?
Next door of my work they get a lot of Falcons, Lears, Gulftstreams, Slowtations--I mean Citations (straight winged), Hawkers, and plenty of Citation X's plus some odds and ends. Anyways, the Falcon 7X is a beast of an airplane, just dwarfs the 10! Heck the only things they dont dwarf are those Gulfstreams with tennis-court sized wings  ;D

the guys next door:
http://www.duncanaviation.aero/homepage.php
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Re: Airliners vs GA vs Vintage

Postby wifesaysno » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:02 pm

scatterbrain kid

You have a nice hanger! Really good variety and you know what they say about variety right?
Best way to make the wife jealous  ;D

My wife has come to terms with my 'affair' with aircraft...she has figured it out: if you cant beat 'em, join 'em  ;)....... :D

Okay stupid jokes are out of my system  ::)
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