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Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:07 am**

Iv'e tried it with several but can only simulate a spin by pushing the nose down and holding full aileron and rudder, really just a tight turning dive.

Does anyone know of any aircraft in FS9 that is spinnable?

It didn't surprise me that the Cessna 172 couldn't be spun--have a difficult enough time just trying to get the real thing to enter a spin when I'm training CFI applicants!

. However, I thought surely there must be something in FS9 that could be spun. No joy, so far.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:13 am**

Yes there are several that can be spun The RealAir Cessna 172 is one of them. Here it is...

Carlo

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:40 am**

The first truly spinable aircraft was an FS2k2 Valmet, it works okay in FS9 http://www.simviation.com/simviation/st ... 73&page=56

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:15 pm**

The first truly spinable aircraft was an FS2k2 Valmet, it works okay in FS9 http://www.simviation.com/simviation/st ... 73&page=56

Ta, Mark...!

A fantastic Trainer.
An FS2002 Model, but works fine in FS 2004.

Well worth having in the Hangar!... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]...!

Paul...G-BPLF...FS 2004... 8-)...!

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:54 pm**

can only simulate a spin by pushing the nose down and holding full aileron and rudder, really just a tight turning dive.

How about holding the nose UP - getting as vertical as possible with power.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:06 pm**

can only simulate a spin by pushing the nose down and holding full aileron and rudder, really just a tight turning dive.

How about holding the nose UP - getting as vertical as possible with power.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:16 pm**

Any plane can be spun if you turn up the

[flight_tuning]
...
rudder_effectiveness = 1.0
...

and set it to

[flight_tuning]
...
rudder_effectiveness = 1000.0
...

Good luck taxiing though!

Posted: **Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:41 am**

can only simulate a spin by pushing the nose down and holding full aileron and rudder, really just a tight turning dive.

How about holding the nose UP - getting as vertical as possible with power.

Posted: **Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:30 am**

Expanding on what Olderndirt said, here's a few additional actions I tried that seem to have come close (considering I was trying the Cessna 172 again...): I pitched vertical with full power, stalled it in a tail slide while applying full rudder, tossed in full opposite aileron, then pulled the throttle to idle when the nose dropped. Here's the part that takes some patience--it recovers from that first stall every time but if you pull it back up to the vertical one more time then it seems to spin in the stalled condition like it should. You still have to hold the ailerons fully opposite to the rudder until you're ready to recover.

It's funny how it always recovers from that first spin entry no matter what I do; it took me a while to see that a secondary stall with fully crossed controls is what's needed.

Not sure I see the point of all that. For anyone using FS as a training aid it's definitely not 'As Real as it Gets'.

Posted: **Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:18 am**

Not sure I see the point of all that. For anyone using FS as a training aid it's definitely not 'As Real as it Gets'.

No argument here.

Posted: **Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:30 pm**

I've got a question. In real life, what will cause a plane (for example a Cessna 172) to spin? I can imagine that if you give it full rudder during flight it will turn but why should I do that?

Carlo

(so much question, such a little brain to remember the answers)

Posted: **Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:07 pm**

I've got a question. In real life, what will cause a plane (for example a Cessna 172) to spin? I can imagine that if you give it full rudder during flight it will turn but why should I do that?

Carlo (so much question, such a little brain to remember the answers)

buy definition a spin is a stall that is aggrivated by yaw, the only reason (other than fun

) to do a spin is to understand how to recover from one.....the concern is that if you dont take corrective action from a stall it can quickly turn into a spin.

As for planes in FS that can be spun, as mentioned earlier the realair c172 is a good choice, or Long Island Classics have both the Christen Eagle http://www.simviation.com/fs2004props77.htm or the Aeronca Champ http://www.simviation.com/fs2004props94.htm , and of course there is always the amasing little french C150 http://www.fs-tutorials.com/en/down_planes.php

Posted: **Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:32 pm**

One of the main causes of an unintentional spin is wing-drop during a stall. If this is not corrected it can soon develop into a spin. This is not likely in an aircraft like the Cessna 172 which has very gentle stall characteristics. http://www.172guide.com/library/172IR-108.pdf

Posted: **Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:03 pm**

One of the main causes of an unintentional spin is wing-drop during a stall.

And one of the most common times for this to happen unintentionally is when the pilot lets the plane get too slow during the base-to-final turn. Usually with bad results due to the unforgiving nature that terra firma has on aluminum.

cheers,
Joe

Posted: **Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:51 pm**

Expanding on what Olderndirt said, here's a few additional actions I tried that seem to have come close (considering I was trying the Cessna 172 again...): I pitched vertical with full power, stalled it in a tail slide while applying full rudder, tossed in full opposite aileron, then pulled the throttle to idle when the nose dropped. Here's the part that takes some patience--it recovers from that first stall every time but if you pull it back up to the vertical one more time then it seems to spin in the stalled condition like it should. You still have to hold the ailerons fully opposite to the rudder until you're ready to recover.

It's funny how it always recovers from that first spin entry no matter what I do; it took me a while to see that a secondary stall with fully crossed controls is what's needed.

Not sure I see the point of all that. For anyone using FS as a training aid it's definitely not 'As Real as it Gets'.

Just enjoying a technical challenge and enjoying sharing it, that's all. I assure you I wouldn't try to get realistic training out of FS. Guess I just have strange ideas of what's fun.

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