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Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:41 am
by Zaphod
I've been enjoying flying in FS9 for a number of years and in that time I have managed to fly most types of aircraft , not necessarily correctly, but with a bit of practice I can get them up and I can get them down usually in one piece. However I've decided to go back to basics and try to fly more correctly.
I'm using the default C182 and I'm becoming aware of the effect that the throttle has on verticle speed or rate of climb but I'm still a little bit puzzled by the use of the propeller control. I can see the effect it has on RPM and I'm also aware that the aircraft "moves" when the control is used, but what is it for? I assume it's not the same as "feathering" the prob because when used on the ground I can still taxi normally.
Any advice would be appreciated but please keep it simple. The old grey cells arn't as good as they used to be :)

Zaphod.

ps
I did have a quick look at the learning center and couldn't find any mention. Perhaps I missed something?

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:22 am
by beaky
I wouldn't call the 182 "basic", but if you really want to use something with a variable-pitch prop, this thread will either help you or totally confuse you...

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2 ... 1212310866


I'd also recommend Schott's excellent FS9-specific manual for this model; should have prop/power settings for the various modes of flight (just like the POH in the real thing).

http://www.simviation.com/members/fs_manuals7.htm

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:47 am
by Zaphod
I wouldn't call the 182 "basic",


Trust me Rotydaddy, compared to some of the things I throw around the sky the C182 is reasonably basic although in some ways more challenging to fly! I've been enjoying in flight re-fueling with an Avro Vulcan and a VC10 tanker (curtisy of Captain Sim C130 payware)

Thanks for the links. Your contribution on the first link was most enlightening.
My engineering mind still can't get it's head around the fact that if you reduce the angle of attack of the prop without reducing the throttle surely the rpm would increase due to less air resistence from the prop? I know this isn't the case but can't understand why or have I got the principle totally wrong?

Cheers.

Zaphod

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:03 pm
by microlight
My wife bought me a real-life tutorial manual some months ago in the hope of getting me to fly real planes, so I've been working through it in the RealAir modification of the default C182, and it's been great fun.

Having been a (virtual) cigar-tube flyer for many years, I can kind of see the attraction in hedge-hopping.

;)

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:32 pm
by Fozzer
My wife bought me a real-life tutorial manual some months ago in the hope of getting me to fly real planes, so I've been working through it in the RealAir modification of the default C182, and it's been great fun.

Having been a (virtual) cigar-tube flyer for many years, I can kind of see the attraction in hedge-hopping.

;)


Micro... ;)....

...your morbid fascination for Jet-propelled Cigar Tubes always confuses me, every time I see that lovely little Flexwing/Microlight in your Signature.... :)...!

...not to mention your Display Name..."Microlight"... :o...!

Paul....G-BPLF... ;D...!

Cessna 150's/Thruster T600's are the way to go... ;)...!

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:04 pm
by microlight
Ah well, Paul, it all goes back to the microlight lessons m'dear wife got me for my birthday some years back - great fun. And I'm a microbiologist by training, so there you go.

I suppose if I was always on the phone, I could be 'microphone'. Or if I was always cutting books into very thin slices then I could be 'microtome'! (Now that's a devious one.)

TGI the weekend...

;)

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:31 am
by microlight
Paul,

Your reference to Cessna 150s reminded me of a download I got earlier this year that I'd done nothing with. Created by some French gentlemen, it's the one that doesn't have a 2D cockpit, so you fly from the VC - is this the one you mean? Excellent model! I've added a popup autopilot from the Cessna 182 so I won't plough into the ground while I'm sightseeing!

What's a Thruster T600? Sounds like a Terminator...!

:-?

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:34 am
by Fozzer
Paul,

Your reference to Cessna 150s reminded me of a download I got earlier this year that I'd done nothing with. Created by some French gentlemen, it's the one that doesn't have a 2D cockpit, so you fly from the VC - is this the one you mean? Excellent model! I've added a popup autopilot from the Cessna 182 so I won't plough into the ground while I'm sightseeing!

What's a Thruster T600? Sounds like a Terminator...!

:-?


Thruster T600N..

Cor, blimey, Micro... :o...!

A common sight at most small airfields!...>>>>

http://www.thruster.co.uk/jab7.html

The ONLY economical way to fly...;)...!

(With a neat little Jabiru flat 4-Cyl, 4-Stroke engine)

Paul....G-BPLF....FS 2004... 8-)...!

P.S. I regularly sim-fly the little "French" Cessna 150....lovely little machine... :-*...!
She is my every-day Trainer, and shopping transport...and for popping here, and popping there...;)...!

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:06 am
by pepper_airborne
Yeah i love that little C150! Its great for sightseeing in alaska ;D!. Although the scratches are too blinding when im flying over the NL2000V3 scenery.

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:07 pm
by Brett_Henderson
Don't think of a prop-control as a method for selecting a new pitch for the prop blades.. that's not what it does.

You

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:16 pm
by Allen_Z
[glow=yellow,2,300] in the hope of getting me to fly real planes[/glow]

and, ...er, um..sputter..cough....how do I say this??

Somehow you find yerself resisting that [glow=yellow,2,300]hope[/glow]?!?!?!?

:)

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:46 am
by microlight
Paul,

Thanks for the pic - OK - made the link now. Knew what they were, just not what they were called!

Duh...

Time for a cuppa tea.

;)

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:58 pm
by Zaphod
Brett.. Let me see if I've got this right ( I probably haven't!)

The throttle controls the power and therefore rpm of the engine.
The propeller control controls the RPM of the prop.
The prop sorts out it's own angle of attack (blade pitch.)

Doesn't that kind of surgest that the engine is not directly connected to the prop? If that's the case is there some sort of hydrolic arrangement similar to a torque converter on an automatic car, or have I missed the point yet again. ::)

Best.
Zaphod ;)

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:03 pm
by Fozzer
Zaph....

I put it down to one of those mysteries of life... ;)...!

..or if you really need a headache, have a peek here.....>>>>

http://www.thaitechnics.com/propeller/prop_control.html

Paul....G-BPLF.... 8-)...!

I love fiddlin' with my little blue knob, whilst quietly tootling along... ;)... ;D....!
(,...it's legal in Herefordshire)... ;)...!

Re: Going back to basics..

PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:13 pm
by Zaphod
Thanks for the reply Foz but that link won't display for me!

Cheers.

Zaph (Paul)