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When to descend?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:55 pm
by RDinger
Hi
I was wondering if anyone here knows the formula for calculating when I have to start with my descent. I couldn't find anything on the net, probably because I don't know what to search for...
My situation:
I'm at FL300 and my IAS is 280 knts. I want to land at an airport that has an elevation of 0ft. My descend rate will be -1500ft/min.
At what distance from the airfield should I start descending?
And to make things simple, there is no wind, etc.
Anyone who can help me out?
Thnx in advance!

Re: When to descend?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:15 pm
by MWISimmer
This will help you out:

Landing tutorial

Read through it, even though it's an ILS tute, it will help you no end.

:)

Re: When to descend?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:33 pm
by Wii
This will help with your descent calculation...
http://flyingfordummies.blogspot.com/2007/02/descent-calculation.html

Re: When to descend?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:13 pm
by Nav
RDinger, Wii's link is all you need to know, basically 'the rule of three' - allow three miles for every 1,000 feet of altitude. Usually you don't have to bother too much about 'rate of descent,' most aeroplanes are designed to follow that sort of descent rate with engines at or close to 'idle,' and FS models that pretty faithfully. That's equally true whether you're flying an airliner or a Cessna. In addition, if you have the autopilot on, the FS autopilots will automatically set a suitable rate of descent. In the FS9 default airliners, I think it's usually 1,800 feet per minute. Check at say the halfway point that you've lost at least half your height by that time; if not, increase the rate to suit.

Two more points that may help. Firstly, if you're flying an airliner at 33,000 feet, the 'rule of three' will tell you to start letting down 110 miles out. That sounds crazy at first, but it's right because of the speed you're travelling at; obey the rule!

Secondly, my ILS landing tute, which CD kindly linked to, doesn't actually cover the initial let-down - but it DOES tell you to get nice and low nice and early. Excess altitude's just a nuisance late in your approach, plan to get down good and early so you'll be well below the glideslope with plenty of time to intercept it.

Only thing is, check the map to make sure that there aren't any mountains near the particular airport you're planning to land at! :)

Re: When to descend?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:05 am
by Slotback
That formula is fantastic. I cannot count how many times I've used that rule only to pick up the glideslop EXACTLY on it. Just make sure you decend at about 2000 feet per minute, which usually lets the engines in an Airliner stay at idle.

Personally, all my decents are with the engines at idle, using pitch to maintain about 290 knots indicated which is my (virtual) aircrafts econ decent profile, however under ten thousand feet the speed limit is 240 knots, so I usually add another five miles to the calculation so I can slow down through pitch without wasteing energy. If you dont fly like me - then forget this. :)