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Why the helloI get VFR clearance if I file IFR?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:03 am
by neu
Maybe it's my fault, and I'm doing something wrong, but yesterday I've met this really annoying issue, and it's a bit confusing me...

I've flown from Marseille (LFML) to Munich (EDDM), and I've made my flightplan with FSBuild. I exported it to both FS2004 and the Level-D 767's FMC. When I made my flight, I loaded up the FS file, which appeared as an IFR plan. Then I've set the parking position etc, and started. When I requested to taxi, "I" requested a VFR plan for some unknown reasons, even though I made an IFR plan in the "Flightplanner". Well, I've spent about 30 minutes with the preparation (catering, cleaning, checklist, passengers, etc), and startup procedures, so I did not want to restart it, especially as I didn't know what went wrong. So I started my flight, and I've flown the flightpath I programmed up into the FMC. The weather was ok, but not nice in Marseille, clouds, and rain, 7:15PM. When I reached Munich, the weather turned really bad, viewdistance 1/4 miles, -1 degree celsius, wind and dark...I contacted the tower, and for obvious reason, they did not grant permission for me, as for some reasons I was technically in VFR, which is not allowed in these conditions. Well, after this flight, I really wanted to land, so I've done that properly, thanks god no traffic closer than 20 miles. Actually it was a really good flight, but it really annoyed me why the hell it was VFR?

Is anyone have any ideas what is going on? I should have requested  IFR clearance after takoff and reload my flightplan again? Then the ATC tries to direct me to different ways that I have in my FMC for precision flight. The two is not matching, I assume because the default ATC is using the default MSFS navdata is from prior the birth of Christ, and missing lot's of navigation points, so it cannot do anything with the ones in my exported "real" flightplan. The FMC data and FSBuild has the same 0713 cycle, so those are okay for each oher.

So I'm just curious, if I screwed up something and if there is a solution to resolve this?

Greetings, neu

Re: Why the helloI get VFR clearance if I file IFR?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:11 pm
by garymbuska
If I understand you the problem is that when you use some other means other than the flight planner inside FS2004 the sim thinks it is a VFR flight plan.
I have several PAYWARE aircraft that have a working FMC a A320/340 and the B737-600/700 series. The FMC inside the A320/340 will allow me to import a flight plan from the FS2004 flight planner but the B737-600/700 series will not. So what I do is to use the flight planner inside fs2004 first then recreate it in the FMC of the B737-600/700 series so it matches.
I hope that makes sense if not drop me a line and I will explain in more detail 8-)

Re: Why the helloI get VFR clearance if I file IFR?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:24 pm
by neu
Sounds reasonable, but then 90% of my waypoints will be missing. There is a huge difference between the default msfs navdata and the real one in terms of points. Though what you say seems to work, but I still hope I can find a good solution for this without altering my real flightplan!

Happy flying ;)
Greetings, neu

Re: Why the helloI get VFR clearance if I file IFR?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:03 pm
by garymbuska
Sounds reasonable, but then 90% of my waypoints will be missing. There is a huge difference between the default msfs navdata and the real one in terms of points. Though what you say seems to work, but I still hope I can find a good solution for this without altering my real flightplan!

Happy flying ;)
Greetings, neu

The only other thing to do is to not file a flight plan at all and use flight following then when you get somewhat close file a ifr flight editing it to match the remaning way points left in your flight plan. I have found this way works about 80 to 85 % of the time. But like you said the flight planer inside FS2002 does not have all of the way points in it
which is why I wait till I get some what close to my designation. I use
http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/ which will convert to fs2004 flight plans but I am not sure if they can be used for FS2002 8-)

Re: Why the helloI get VFR clearance if I file IFR?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:24 pm
by neu
Well, so it seems it's a generic problem which is not easy to resolve. I had the same idea as you proposed, but even then there might be issues, as sometimes ATC ommands me way too high for the approach....

However, this not to happy result is result to...let's try our best ;)

Greetings, neu

Re: Why the helloI get VFR clearance if I file IFR?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:16 am
by neu
I have the solution....it does matter if you load your fs2004 flightplan (exported from FSBuild for example) to the flight plan screen, or the at the find route window!!!! We all know it's not enough to make your flightplan loaded to the FMC/FMS. If you load it in the find route window, it will load up properly, and will make your flight a real IFR flight! You will start with the clearance before you connect to ground! I just tested it yesterday, and it worked! ATC even vectored more or less properly!

So what I do now, os to plan the flight in FSBuild, export both the FMC's and FS2004's format (I used to exclude SID/STAR as I used to use real weather, and the runway is changing besed on it) I load the .pln to the find route window, and load the other one to the FMC. This way they are matching each other, it contains up to date navigation points, and you can get IFR clearance from delivery right at the beginning!

I hope it helps!

Happy flying!
Greetings, neu