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Basics

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:50 am
by StatusQuo1991
Hi my Name is Sam

I am a fairly new user of FS2004 and i am having some trouble with landing in any type of plane.

If anyone could give me some tips i will be very grateful

Thanks

Sam

Re: Basics

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:05 am
by Sir_Crashalot
Hi Sam and welcome to Simviation,

Best thing to do is to take the flying lessons in FS2004. Just do the basic lessons and after that practise. Do it in the Cessna 172, don't jump directly in a 747. Practise is everything. Don't give up if you crash the first few times. We've all been there.....

Crash ;)

Re: Basics

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:33 am
by StatusQuo1991
Thanks very much

Can you suggest any techniques or should i just plod through them all

Thanks for your help

:) 8-)

Re: Basics

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:51 pm
by ozzy72
I'd plod through them a couple of times and then just keep practicing touch 'n goes on a small airfield somewhere until you're happy ;)

Re: Basics

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:54 pm
by beaky
If you're going to use the FS lessons, be sure to not remain at pattern altitude until you turn to final- I've never heard of such a thing in real life; when flying a standard rectangular pattern you begin descent on the base leg. I have no idea where they got that, and I keep forgetting to contact MS or Rod Machado and ask "What the hek is that all about?!"   :-?   ;D

Also, when I tried the lessons, there was a lot more that didn't make sense. But it's OK- you will get a good idea of how to proceed by flying a little with the mildly retarded virtual CFI in FS9. ;D

But in general, the key to landing any plane is to understand its slow-flight characteristics, and from there how to descend in that configuration while holding a heading.
You can study up on the speeds, etc or you can just experiment, at altitude, with some random altitude selected as "ground". Start 1000 feet above that, with the plane configured for landing, and try to maintain a speed a little above stalling speed with no more than a 500 fpm descent rate. Speed is critical here- you cannot expect to land well if you randomly dive at the runway. Things need to be stable as you begin to descend. Slow, but not too slow. Sinking, but not too much. You should be able to level off, then stall (on purpose), without going past your selected altitude. Once you manage that, try it from 1000 feet above the runway, and try to flare (pull back) so that you hear that stall horn just as the mains kiss the runway. You will find that if you have the plane set up for a stable airspeed and descent rate, it will be like magic.

Your visual target should be the place you want to flare (not touch down) on the runway: the numbers are fine, usually. Use aileron, elevator and rudder to keep that target where it is. That's "all there is to it".

The other general advice I always give is: if you are not one of those "FS9 is a grt game woot- I wnt 2 lnd a 747 in ths game how I play it land OK wot key 2 press plz?" sim pilots but instead someone who wants to learn how to fly in the sim, do NOT begin your lessons with a jet airliner or some high-performance type. The default C172 is OK, but if you like that you will love the (free) RealAir 172; it's much more realistic (I say this as a RL pilot with about 200 hours in C172s). The basics apply to every plane, but if you start with something fast and complicated, you will not get the basics down without some real struggle.

So anyway: fly the lessons a little, practice on your own a little, and be sure to follow Brett's flight training threads in the Flight Training forum.

Re: Basics

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:40 pm
by Brett_Henderson
Point of intra-forum copyright protocol....

Formal request to copy/paste the paragraph regarding stabilizing an approach...


(I'm doing it pending authorization

Re: Basics

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:51 pm
by alrot
Mmm statusquo are you using the keyboard instead a joystik, I have many years in this ,Its almost impossible to land a plane using the keyboard keys..you need a joystick..or maybe you have it!  :-?

Re: Basics

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:23 pm
by StatusQuo1991
Im using a Sailtek Cyborg Force Joystick, my Parents brought it for me for my birthday (I'm 16 now). Thank you for the tips. ;D

Re: Basics

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:15 am
by beaky
Point of intra-forum copyright protocol....

Formal request to copy/paste the paragraph regarding stabilizing an approach...


(I'm doing it pending authorization  :)  )


Granted.
But there should be a revision: +500 fpm (initially) is typical for heavy jets and other types...
I should also give credit to Langeweische, and a couple of my instructors. ;)

PS- I am right about descending on base, right? Have you ever heard of it being taught otherwise? I was flabbergasted when "Idiot Robot Rod Machado" advised me to remain at TPA until turn to final...

Re: Basics

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:49 am
by Brett_Henderson
PS- I am right about descending on base, right? Have you ever heard of it being taught otherwise? I was flabbergasted when "Idiot Robot Rod Machado" advised me to remain at TPA until turn to final...


Yes.. you are correct. In fact.. I was taught to be at 500agl before turning final (standard, no-wind pattern when the base-leg begins at the point where  the arrival end of the runway is 45 degrees from your 9 o'clock). Sometimes, wind even  requires that the descent begin on the downwind.

Re: Basics

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:32 pm
by vololiberista
Starting one's descent when on finals!!!!
Perhaps that's the reason why a PPL gained in the US is invalid in the UK!!!!
Vololiberista