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boeing/jet -approach

Postby kiklop » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:09 am

Hi everyone!

Here's my problem.Let's say that I know how to navigate by IFR or GPS...and I always obey orders from the tower(heading,altitude).

Now..when it comes to the final approach....how to 100% align my boeing with the runway and how exactly  that button(approach) works?

I don't think the real jet- pilots have to align the plane manualy so it must be an instrument stuff...


Thanks in advance!

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Re: boeing/jet -approach

Postby Wingo » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:16 am

ILS landing tutorial, all you need to know plus more!!

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/ ... on=display ;num=1111322151
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Re: boeing/jet -approach

Postby beefhole » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:18 am

Along with ILS, try going into the MS help center to learn about programming GPS appraoches.  They essentially extend the centerline 10nm, allowing you to line up far out, and are generally a precursor to ILS approaches. Once you learn how to use the FS GPS module, they're a real snap to program.

And by the way, on visual approaches, pilots do indeed line the plane up manually-stick flying is stressed in training and more often than not practiced whenever possible ;)

oh yeah-Welcome to SimV! ;D
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Re: boeing/jet -approach

Postby kiklop » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:25 am

Thank you very much ....it's just that I can't open that tutorial posted by =The.Winged.One=......there's an error with the text file.Where else can I find similar tutorials .....please?


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Re: boeing/jet -approach

Postby Wingo » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:30 am

sorry, there was a cut+paste error... this link will work (tested to make sure)
http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/ ... 1111322151
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Re: boeing/jet -approach

Postby vololiberista » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:34 am

Hi,
In fact in real life ATC do vector the jets to "establish" on the localiser. The difference between real life and FS9 is that real ATC stick to the STARs and Approach plates as much as possible whereas FS9 ATC send you on a tour of the country first!!! And at some airports their final vector is hairaizingly close!!!

Also in real life ATC will give you speed settings, so in FS9 you have to do that yourself.

So as a rough guide to help you in space and time, below 10000 ft you should set an ias of 250 knts

between 30 and 20 nm out from the airport reduce to 210kts.

less than 20 nm reduce to 180 kts.

the reason for this is that if you fly onto the localiser too fast the AP might not be able to capture it, and if it does, it will have alot of work to alighn you correctly with the runway.

your angle of approach to the localiser should be approx 30 degrees offset to the localiser heading.

don't join the localiser closer than 10nm out unless you have already configured your a/c for landing.

Assuming a normal approach then, as you establish you should have 180knts and first stage flaps.

at about 8nm out lower the gear and select 2nd stage flaps

reduce your speed to 160knts.

from about 4nm (over the outer marker)  full flaps and140 knts

Two final points to remember   jets have alot of momentum so be on top of your speed at all times

to control the AP on approach
whenever ATC give you a heading course change select their heading on the AP and switch from GPS to HDG

when they give you the vector "to establish" input that heading and when the a/c has arrived on that heading switch the AP to NAV it will then search for and establish you on the localiser.

Once on the localiser watch carefully for GS glide slope marker.  When it is about 5deg above the centre on your dial select appr on the AP.    NB if the glide slope marker is below the centre, the AP won't capture it.

Remember that a good landing in one you can walk away from!
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Re: boeing/jet -approach

Postby SkyNoz » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:36 am

Okay, As the way I like to fly in the sim, which is pretty real to the real world, I would follow on my GPS flightplan, Have my NAV radios backed up at all times, so if their was any emergensies I can use that for my main Navigation.

When you at your end of your flightplan (I'm starting where your at around FL10). Their are a number of landing options that are given by ATC, that is ILS, RNAV, GPS etc and also the lovely Vectors to final, which should be any pilots dream.

The main and particular type of approach I choose Is a mix of GPS and ILS, I will use my main ILS radios tuned and have my GPS tuned for a go around, the reason I would choose GPS as a backup is I can have auto-pilot fly the aircraft on a path that is specified for the runway for holding patterns and to re set up on approach.

Notes on GPS, I like to use GPS approaches on unfamilur airports, in bad wheather. With some aircraft the landing profile may differ so may be easier going with GPS, Why? some aircraft require a strenous Landing check procedure etc.

I would practice right now with ILS and the Standard GPS appraches, if you have real approach plates available.

Now if your wondering how to do the Auto-Land with the AP (auto-pilot) , you need the desegnated ILS nav freq. tuned. for this to work, which can be found on the map. AP should be on at end of approach, once you reached close and requried distance toward airport simply turn on "APR" short for Approach, tune selected speeds from IAS whatever the aircraft is rated at.. And whatch the aircraft land itselft.

Okay next chapter          SIDS and STARS

SID's= "Standard Instrument Departure"

STAR's = "Standard Terminal Arrival"

more info on sids and stars can be found here ( GPS approaches)

Okay hope this infor helps a bit , I could explain more with any questions you have, Just fly a bit of the cessna's alittle bit with the ILS approaches then jump into the heavies with all the saspeciticated AP. GOOD LUCK. ;) ;D
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Re: boeing/jet -approach

Postby kiklop » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:44 am

thank you both ..especially for your extensive answer vololiberista.....I got two tutorials now:)...and I'm ready to get my ass back on the runway.

THANKS AGAIN!
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