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sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:58 am
by -sam-
Sometimes go-arounds seem to take ages. Yesterday
I made an IFR from EDMO to LOWW (Vienna). Short before touchdown the controller told me to go around. He than directed me nearly 15 minutes straight south deep into Hungary. When he finally directed me back to the airport
he gave me last ILS instructions (turn heading... fly and maintain... until established on the localizer) so far away from the airport that i didn

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:08 am
by ozzy72
You should have popped in for a top-up and a cuppa at my place Sam ;)
Sometime FS ATC seems to go a bit mental and do things like this, for example I ONLY ever have near-misses over France, although this could be a realism feature......

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:02 am
by garymbuska
I have had the same thing happen to me, except I did not run out of gas. One thing you can do is to cancel IFR and then contact the tower and they will give you the pattern to fly. Down side of this is you will not get vectors to the ILS that is when FSNAV comes in handy I switch to FSNAV and use the missed approach procedures for that runway/airport.
Every airport has a go around or missed approach procedure.
For USA airports you can use the AIRNAV website for the latest missed approach for any USA airport. These are real world maps and FAA approved.
www.airnav.com 8)

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:41 am
by t_alexander21
I pretty much gave up flying offline for these reason exactly, ATC would do things that just don't make sense. In my eyes I would rather fly online even if there are only a couple of controllers on than have to deal w/ the frustrating FS ATC.

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:55 am
by Saitek
FSATC is much improved over what it used to be in previous FS editions - but still not good enough... ;)
Nothing beats live ATC and it is a lot of fun. 8)

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:20 am
by exnihilo
Huh, I noticed that once too when flying IFR.  I just gave up on the ATC, flew in and landed.  Tallyho!

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:50 am
by beefhole
The one and only time I ever ran out of fuel (or ever crashed, for that matter) was as a result of this.  I was flying from Memphis to St Louis in a 734, a 45 minute flight.  However, I made a grave error in the fuel calculations (combined with headwinds) and was running extremely low by the time I was established.  Due to a gust just above the threshhold, I was forced to go-around at the last second, opening the throttle up and eating most of what little fuel I had left.

I was vectored back into the downwind, but ATC never got back to me.  If it was VATSIM, I would've declared a fuel emergency and requested priority vectoring back to the airport.  Instead, I had to glide it in for a landing in an open field five miles southwest of the airport.

THIS is why you always carry lots and lots of extra fuel-especially for online flights, when it's possible you could be put into a holding pattern.

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:14 pm
by Saitek
If worst comes to the worst go to the menu and slect fuel and payload and well - cheat! :o

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:48 pm
by ashaman
Something like that happened to me too some time ago trying to land in a now forgot middle-east airport. At the time I still used the default ATC, so the virtual imbeciles made me go around... don't remember the reason... I retracted the gear and climbed to assigned altitude, cleaned the wing and went up to 220 knots IAS expecting to have to slow down again shortly.

What I do remember clearly is that that time I took off with a lot of excess fuel and was concerned about the landing.

I had no reason to be concerned. At least not for the weight. The virtual imbeciles made me give my passengers a wide and long tour over the desert for more than 40 minutes.

In spite of having took off with too much fuel I almost didn't make it. Landed and reached the gate with 3% fuel remaining. In the last minutes of the flight it was a constant streaming of curses to the poor programming of the ATC, chills down the spine for the near disaster and the wish to have a system of heat seeking missiles under the wings to "convince" an eventual AI traffic to give me way. ;D

Water under bridges now. I've put the default ATC to sleep the eternal rest and I'm now using a combination of charts and FSNav. It makes for an interesting travel, I admit, but it's good to have no more stupid go-arounds.

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:31 pm
by -sam-
In general I think the ATC is ok. But this really an annoying bug. Especially if you try to fly more or less realistic.
Well I have a little workaround !
If you save your flight sometime before the landing you can
reload the flights if a "bug around" happens . This usually removes the traffic on final.

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:39 pm
by t_alexander21
If it was VATSIM, I would've declared a fuel emergency and requested priority vectoring back to the airport.


I just flew a flight where I had to declare a fuel emergency and pretty much everyone else on CYHZ_CTR laughed at me...all in good fun but still embarassing

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:45 pm
by ashaman

I just flew a flight where I had to declare a fuel emergency and pretty much everyone else on CYHZ_CTR laughed at me...all in good fun but still embarassing


I fail to see the humor. What were they amused about?

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:11 pm
by beefhole
I fail to see the humor. What were they amused about?

I don't know about you, but I always find the act of a plane running out of fuel and falling from the sky very amusing.  Don't you?

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:12 pm
by ashaman
I don't know about you, but I always find the act of a plane running out of fuel and falling from the sky very amusing.  Don't you?


...

No!

Re: sometimes strange "go-arounds"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:07 pm
by t_alexander21
I fail to see the humor. What were they amused about?


Well...your right, they probably weren't laughing at me, they were probably laughing at themselves for being JetsGo pilots- which I believe is going under  ;D

But I sort of saw the humor, I made it down just fine but when I cleared the runway I had no fuel left so I had to park where American does at CYYZ...

...I would probably say the toughest part of flying is in the pre-flight. I have never had a fuel problem once in FS but for some reason I just underestimated a headwind I ran into around NW. Ontario and maybe screwed up the taxi time, not sure if that would make much of a difference though.