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Running off to the left

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:08 pm
by Saitek
Some planes I use do it more than others. Today I used a Cessna and it nearly did a full circle after just a few feet!

Other times a plane will just be slightly "out". Others are a medium sort. ::) Occasionaly I'll get a decent one. Speed isn't a factor - though of couse the effects are worse at higher speeds. It seems far to rediculous to be a yaw in real life and indeed I have that all turned off. When I turn it on there isn't a difference that I have noticed.

Thanks,

Ben
Can someone explain?Image

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:12 pm
by ozzy72
Have you switched autopilot off? Even if the plane doesn't have autopilot, if you saved a flight with it on this can cause problems on the next flight...

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:14 pm
by Saitek
Nope. Never touch the auto pilot till I get into the sky. It's never on until then. ::)

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:14 pm
by commoner
...yep...sounds like the autopilot again...see the post on taxiing on this page....commoner ;)

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:26 pm
by Saitek
Oh well - it isn't that. I guess I'll just have to lump it. ::)

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:48 pm
by Fozzer
Hi Ben...!
..looks like you have to get used to the rudder pedals...LOL...!

I notice it on some models.
Tail-draggers are particularly susceptible to this effect so I ease the throttle in gently and gently work the pedals to correct the swing...lots of fun... 8)...!

By the way...Switch...
Automixture...OFF....use the Mixture knob!
Unlimited Fuel...OFF...get it from the pumps!
Auto Rudder...OFF...don't cheat...!
LOL...!

Cheers ... ;D...!

Paul.... 8)...!

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 2:39 pm
by Katahu
Wise words, Foz. Wise words. ;D

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 3:05 pm
by expat
Hi Ben

I see that your user name is Siatek. Are you using a Siatek throttle stick combo by chance?? I had the same problem. The fix was to nuke the siatek usb set up and reinstall.

Matt

Now with Ch Products. Muuuuuch better.

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 3:36 pm
by Saitek
No - I use a Saitek Cyborg 3D Rumble Force. ::)

I don't have any rudder pedals at the moment. Well I have steering wheel pedals but I haven't connected them up yet.

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 4:11 pm
by jrpilot
I have the same problem too, it is horrible when taxing, since the plane won't keep straight and when you turn the joystick just a lttle bit left the plane swings around really fast but if you want to turn right it swings slower.

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 7:22 pm
by igorski
I have a similar problem too, try re-calibrating your stick?

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 3:10 am
by Fozzer
I have the Logitech Wingman Force 3D pro joystick.
To avoid a lot of control problems I cheat a little bit... :-[...by turning off all the force feed-back, centralising settings, spring settings, etc, in the Joystick Menu in the Windows Control Panel... ;)...!
A flight in the REAL Cessna 152 does not experience these exaggerated forces... :o...!
The REAL controls are actually quite delicate... 8)...!

Back to steering...
The tail draggers are a bit of a handful when trying to steer during taxiing, and prior to rotating on the runway.
Because they don't have a steerable nose-wheel the only way they can change direction is by deflecting the rudder and opening the throttle to blast air over the deflected rudder. This will turn the aircraft.
This has to be carried out with GREAT CARE to avoid the dreaded Ground Loop... :o...LOL...!
Deflect the rudder followed by a quick blast with the prop...and using the differential brakes, (if fitted),... ;)...!
Our Ozzy knows all about "this sort of thing..," ;D...) with his lovely Spitfires.... 8)...!
Because of this, a Type Rating, (change of aircraft type), examination, and flight instruction has to be carried out when changing from a nose-wheel aircraft to a tail-dragger... ;)...!
...then you REALLY start flying by the "seat of your pants"...LOL...!

Cheers all... ;D...!

Paul...off for some fun with his Cessna 152 tail dragger...;)...;D...!

LOL... ;D...!

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:46 am
by Saitek
I have the same problem too, it is horrible when taxing, since the plane won't keep straight and when you turn the joystick just a lttle bit left the plane swings around really fast but if you want to turn right it swings slower.



That's it's it!

Thanks for your replies guys - but it isn't the stick or anything.

I guess I'll just have to lump it - but I thought it strange since it only did it on some planes, but with the yaw turned off it isn't supposed to do that at all. ::)

Och well. :)

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:57 am
by cobzz
i get that to.
turn P-factor torque down then that might help?
my dad has flown cessnas for 20 years then he played flightsim, he said it was REALLY fake and that the planes dont really turn to the left like that.
There is a cessna that a payware company made but the cessna is freeware, it makes it way more realistic.
Ill find the name of it!

cya

Re: Running off to the left

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 4:25 pm
by Springer6
Saitek,

Notice that you say you have steering wheel pedals. You probably won't be able to use these without modification as they apply throttle and brakes, not steer the rudder.

However steering wheel pedals can be modified to operate the rudder successfully provided they are not USB ( I have done it ). You may have to alter the internal wiring to make them operate the rudder in the correct direction, but if you don't want to do this you can always reverse the direction of operation in the assingments screen.

Hope this helps .

PS  Anyone can easily and cheaply make rudder pedals by rigging up a simple (wooden ?) see-saw that can be operated with the feet just like an old fashioned aircraft rudder bar. The rudder bar should be rigged up to operate a 100kohm variable potentiometer ( ie the type used as a volume control )

The potentiometer is then connected through a suitable connector into the games port on the PC soundcard.

Advice on how to wire it up can be found onhttp://www.gunpowder.freeserve.co.uk/ ... dintro.htm

This works very well and costs about $3 to make. If you want toe brakes etc this  would be a lot more mechanically complex and perhaps you should spend $150 on some CH pedals