Mini Accident Report: My plane crashed last night
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:51 pm
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:51 pmRe: Mini Accident Report: My plane crashed last ni
Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:22 amlol, great read
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:53 amLMAO.
If I posted mine (make that a list of several dozen reports), it'd be a mile long, ROFL.
Most of my early crashes occurred in the Robinson R22 Beta helo, because I have a very difficult time flying it, but the ones below were either in the Bell 206, AS341 Gazelle, or the AS350 Ecureuil.
I once crashed the Bell 206 into the crater of Mt. St. Helens on a sightseeing tour. Tried to land at the base of the lava dome and miscalculated the slope of the crater floor, ripping the tailboom off.
If I posted mine (make that a list of several dozen reports), it'd be a mile long, ROFL.
Most of my early crashes occurred in the Robinson R22 Beta helo, because I have a very difficult time flying it, but the ones below were either in the Bell 206, AS341 Gazelle, or the AS350 Ecureuil.
I once crashed the Bell 206 into the crater of Mt. St. Helens on a sightseeing tour. Tried to land at the base of the lava dome and miscalculated the slope of the crater floor, ripping the tailboom off.
Re: Mini Accident Report: My plane crashed last ni
Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:12 amFrom the above information, I will write the probable cause.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
FUEL EXHAUSTION WHICH PRECIPITATED THE FORCED LANDING DUE TO THE PILOT'S INADEQUATE FUEL CONSUMPTION CALCULATIONS. FACTORS IN THE ACCIDENT WERE THE PILOT'S FAILURE TO DIVERT TO AN ALTERNATE DESTINATION SUITABLE FOR THE AIRCRAFT, AND THE LOW VISIBILITY IN THE AREA.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
FUEL EXHAUSTION WHICH PRECIPITATED THE FORCED LANDING DUE TO THE PILOT'S INADEQUATE FUEL CONSUMPTION CALCULATIONS. FACTORS IN THE ACCIDENT WERE THE PILOT'S FAILURE TO DIVERT TO AN ALTERNATE DESTINATION SUITABLE FOR THE AIRCRAFT, AND THE LOW VISIBILITY IN THE AREA.
Re: Mini Accident Report: My plane crashed last ni
Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:05 pmSpecifically on the altenrate airport, the captain didn't do his research... weather information is not available **IN FS** through any other means than an automated weather reporting service (ATIS, ASOS, AWOS) unless you wanna cheat and go to the weather menu, which obviously faztech admirably (and regrettably at the same time :P) opted not to. However, through the fs gps module you can find out everything you need to know about an airport, mainly WHETHER OR NOT IT HAS RUNWAY LIGHTS. Alternate airports should be thoroughly researched prior to landing at them (even if chosen mid-flight). To do this, hit the right arrow button on the big dial when in map mode on the gps module. The airport info screen will come up. Press CRSR and highlight the ICAO code. Simply type the ICAO of the desired airport, press CRSR again (so it's not flashing) and then hit the left and right arrows on the little dial to switch info pages. All the info in the map screen when you click on an airport is also in the GPS module. Hope this makes for a safer flight!
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:51 pm[quote]
Re: Mini Accident Report: My plane crashed last ni
Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:26 pmThis is a nice topic,I like the estusiasm of this wonderful program among us,seems like real life 
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:34 pmWhy not make this or a similar topic a sticky, so, we can all log our accidents (good/bad or insane Ozzy ) any thoughts guys?
For the CFS section, we could have combat reports etc?
Guys
I'd probably be recording an encounter here..... ;)
) any thoughts guys?For the CFS section, we could have combat reports etc?
Guys
I'd probably be recording an encounter here..... ;)
Re: Mini Accident Report: My plane crashed last ni
Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:20 pmWell duh, you're in a Zero ;) 
What did you think was going to happen? lol.
What did you think was going to happen? lol.Re: Mini Accident Report: My plane crashed last ni
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:49 amYou forgot to mention if the PIC had filed a flight plan-LOL! Seriously, your plan was inadequate. With a bad plan, you're doomed before you take off. And if it happens again, don't try to "glide to avoid getting stalled". Aerodynamic stalling is caused by not enough airspeed for a given angle of attack- without power, if you just keep pulling back, you're gonna stall. Take it from a real-world pilot- don't ever try to stretch a glide! You might have set up for a landing (flaps, slats, gear), trimmed for best glide speed , and tried to make an off-field landing on a road or some open area. The flaps will help you glide at a lower airspeed, and the gear will help dissipate impact energy when you touch down, or maybe even allow you to roll out normally- if there are no obstacles. Not a great way to arrive, but better to die of embarassment than from blunt trauma and burns...
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:22 pmHere is the NTSB Report on the Zero:
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
THE AIRCRAFT EXPLODED AFTER ONLY 2 BULLETS ENTERED THE FUEL TANKS, KILLING THE PILOT INSTANTLY. FACTORS OF THE KILL WERE THE PILOT'S LACK OF AIRCRAFT CONTROL, ALLOWING ANOTHER AIRCRAFT BEHIND HIM. OTHER FACTORS INCLUDED THE INADEQUATE DESIGN OF THE FUEL SYSTEM AND ITS LACK OF SELF SEALING FUEL CELLS, WHICH CREATES A FIRE HAZZARD.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
THE AIRCRAFT EXPLODED AFTER ONLY 2 BULLETS ENTERED THE FUEL TANKS, KILLING THE PILOT INSTANTLY. FACTORS OF THE KILL WERE THE PILOT'S LACK OF AIRCRAFT CONTROL, ALLOWING ANOTHER AIRCRAFT BEHIND HIM. OTHER FACTORS INCLUDED THE INADEQUATE DESIGN OF THE FUEL SYSTEM AND ITS LACK OF SELF SEALING FUEL CELLS, WHICH CREATES A FIRE HAZZARD.
Re: Mini Accident Report: My plane crashed last ni
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:51 pm[quote]You forgot to mention if the PIC had filed a flight plan-LOL! Seriously, your plan was inadequate. With a bad plan, you're doomed before you take off. And if it happens again, don't try to "glide to avoid getting
Re: Mini Accident Report: My plane crashed last ni
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:19 pm
Forgot to mention, I admit my flight plan was bad, specifically, on the fuel load.
I did set the full landing flaps, gear was down (three greens). I didn't pull back during the stall, rather, I kept the nose down a bit to gain some airspeed. But perhaps, I was too low, and I couldn't spot any safe area for off-field landing, it was dark and low in visibility, anyway. :(
I think, later, I'll practise more on emergency situation in a 737, probably by setting some random failures, before I continue on scheduled flights. ;)
What a wonderful world of flight sim!
I see... but you say you didn't "pull back during the stall'; my point is that letting your airspeed drop during your emergency approach caused the stall in the first place. Or maybe you didn't actually stall? There's no reason why you should be stalling the moment you run out of fuel. Whether or not you become the world's best fuel consumption planner or not, you need to find out what airspeed will give you the longest power-out glide distance (Vbg) in the 737 , with or without flaps and gear, and if you're ever stuck in "glider mode" again, trim for that airspeed no matter what! Without thrust, if you pull up to slow down to below Vbg you won't last long at that speed- you'll have to get back to Vbg or stall. MAYBE if you're still coming up short you could dump the nose for a moment then pull up to try to "balloon" and get enough alt. for a few yards, but in a heavy that's unlikely. And in poor vis at night- oh well- but if you're at Vbg, you're as well-off as you're gonna get in such a scenario. I haven't done much airliner flying yet in FS9; sounds interesting... this ATC sim you mention- is it a program where the user is a controller?
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:21 pmYes. Simon Bergner's ATC sim will let you be the controller (only arrival and departure), while the AI controls the aircraft. But it's limited to Arlanda (stockholm) airport only.
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:41 amThat's very cool, and probably useful for pilots (to see the ATC situation from the other perspective). I haven't actually done it yet, but I've been told most control towers welcome guest pilots (who call in advance) to sit for a while and watch what they do... I hear it's informative and productive for all concerned.