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Airspace Restrictions

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:31 pm
by Travis
Okay, I did a few searches but couldn't find anything.

What are the real world restrictions like?

For example, when I fly around the Caribbean, I see plenty of small areas that have certain restrictions on them, some up to 50000 ft.  Now, some are just warning areas, but others say the are restricted.  Does that mean we aren't allowed to fly through there?

I know this sounds like a real newbie question, but I still need to know.  Want to make my flying as real as possible . . . ;)

Re: Airspace Restrictions

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:27 pm
by Jared
http://www.pilotfriend.com/home%20jumps/resources_main_frame.htm

Thry this site, pretty useful with all kinds of information pertaining to just about anything... ;-)

Re: Airspace Restrictions

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:25 pm
by Travis
Thanks, Jared, but that really only gave definitions of the types of airspace (I think).  I was really wondering if its okay to cruise through an airspace with a 0-50000 ft restriction while on VFR in a little twin prop . . .

Re: Airspace Restrictions

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:57 pm
by Jared
Sure it would be fine in the sim! :-)

in real life I believe that these restrictions would apply...

with the exception of perhaps an IFR cleared through airspace controller? :-) Let me do a little more research...

Re: Airspace Restrictions

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:12 pm
by beefhole
Just the other day I began flying in "Class D" airspace (in real life), which is commonly referred to as controlled airpace.  This airspace extends for 5 miles in a circle around Northeast Philly and for 5,000 ft above.  If you wish to enter this airspace, you MUST contact the tower and recieve clearence.

An interesting airspace related problem that I have in real life is that the FBO I'm learning to fly at, Wings airfield, has two runways; 6 and 24.  The problem is that Willow Grove NAS airspace lies just several miles off of runway 6, and you often have to turn long before you want to or risk busting military airspace.  They WILL send fighters after you, and when you land back at Wings I hear you'll get one nasty phone call.  :-/

While I know this didn't help much, basically certain airspaces require certain things.  I don't have my Private Pilot textbook on me right now, which has all the airspace descriptions.  Depending on what letter the airspace is dictates how you act in it and whether or not you will need to contact anyone, basically.  Any other GA pilots around here that can lend a hand?

Re: Airspace Restrictions

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:33 pm
by Nexus
restricted airspace is a whole chapter in itself, but in general you may not operate an aircraft within active restricted airspace unless advance permission has been granted. The hazards these restricted airspace offers are artiellery firing, aerial gunnery and guided missiles  etc ::)

However is the restricted airspace is not ACTIVE, ATC will allow you to operate in there.
But if the area is active, ATC will issue a clearance that will ensure the aircraft avoids the restricted airspace.

Re: Airspace Restrictions

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:28 pm
by Brute
My two coppers. I did a little reading, real life experience, and with about 80-99% certainty that: Warning airspace: Advises of danger, hang-gliders, or international boundries i.e you are approaching U.S airspace, like JFK those warning areas tell you america is a few miles away. Restricted airspace: Don't go there without prior consent Prohibited airspace: Don't go there, don't ask. Controlled airspace:Refer to the learning center this comprises of airspace A-D. Military Ops: As prior mentioned they are Arty ranges etc, don't go there unless you want to get hurt. That about covers it.

Re: Airspace Restrictions

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:06 am
by Travis
Thanks guys.  Glad I figured that out!  I was really wondering about those restricted areas . . . . ;)

Re: Airspace Restrictions

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:44 am
by logjam
Restricted, prohibited and danger areas are placed there for a reason as previously explained. Some tiny ones, looking like zits are sometimes up to 50,000 ft. One may wonder why, well, let me tell you why, I once flew over Government house in Nairobi and got the Bolloxing of my life. Not withstanding no one lived there anymore! The no-fly zone was still on the map, so there it stayed. There are others you may not want to fly over due to authorised fireworks (Yes fireworks) and yet others you are banned from such as Sark, a well know nudist island in the English channel. ;D

Re: Airspace Restrictions

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:48 am
by Skligmund
If you ever want to see some messed up airspace, look at Merrill Field (Anchorage) on a chart someday....... NONE of the pattern altitudes or entries are standard.

Re: Airspace Restrictions

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:51 am
by RollerBall
and yet others you are banned from such as Sark, a well know nudist island in the English channel. ;D


;D

I don't think the Dame of Sark would like her little island paradise where even cars are banned to be described as a nudist island....unless you know something we don't logjam...in which case upload the pics ;)

Re: Airspace Restrictions

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:09 pm
by logjam
Ha, the legend derives from the fact that Sark is the only Feudal Government left in the British Isles. Here is an extract:

"There was not the difference between freeholder and tenant as there is today or was in Roman times. Everyone held his land as a tenant, be he baron or peasant, for to keep it he had to render dues of some sort to his overlord based on his wear of clothing. Provided he rendered his dues and service he could not be evicted and could pass the land on to his heirs." Fact  ;D

Re: Airspace Restrictions

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:04 pm
by beefhole
Hmm, so that relates to a nudist colony how...   ;D