I hate Concordes

[congo]

I always hated them in simulators because I can't fly them, I think they are awesome in reality.

I must be doing something fundamentally wrong. I read the the manuals, the tips, and they just won't fly for me.

I try it by the numbers, no go. I hate them. I can't fly them.

I just spent about 8 hours at a concorde project website, fsfrance, downloaded about fifty downloads that were the scattered pieces of some major project, Pieced together a Concorde and it still wouldn't fly!  

I think the  joke was on me for sure............

I seem to have big probs with panels, this latest one was a bit blurry and very hard to tell what the gauges were, I think my eyes are half the problem after trying to stare at it as well.

I'm not getting speed or climb rate like I should.

I seem to run out of power over 30,000ft, I try for the numbers in thrust, climb rate and speed, and it doesn't seem to happen.

It's like I'm draggin flap. I got around that by upping the power scalar 50% in the aircraft.cfg and it seemed to respond a little better and it even reached cruise speed after about 2000 miles.

These were supposed to be the latest airfiles etc.

So, what the heck am I doin wrong?  

Is there a Concorde out there that works?

[madmatt7]

Greetings.
If you don't mind payware, check this out: http://shop.game.net/ViewProduct.aspx?c ... mid=323776
It's quite a nice package and comes with a DVD on the Concorde. Shipping from the UK is actually quite fast to the U.S. I don't usually fly Concordes, either, so I mainly bought it for sentimental value.
I haven't yet taken the time to wade through the manual, but from other reviews, it seems to be a pretty accurate depiction. The only problems that have been brought up are those of proper fuel transfer between the many tanks. - Matt D.

[Moach]

hi there

i downloaded that same project mach2 concorde from fsfrance, and i too have problems flying it.

i took off one day from miami intl headed for guarulhos (sao paulo)... half way into the climb, the goddamn thing stalls on me and falls to the ground like a rock  :o

the flight dynamics are very screwed up on that plane, semms that once you go over 40000 feet, the engines lose more than half their efficiency

i think there is a patch you can dowload that fixes the flight dynamics.... it's deep down on the PM2 download page, along with the 50 other pieces of download that you have to puzzle together...

there's also a flight manual...   in french

if this patch doens't work you can always search for other concorde FD's out there...

BTW: the concorde doesn't behave like a normal airliner so the ATC won't know what to do with it, just fly direct GPS instead...

oh, and don't go below 180kts or you WILL stall

happy flying

c ya

Moach

[BiggBaddWolf]

Maybe we can start a "He Man Concorde Haters" club, cuz I hate'em too. Never could find one that would fly right  :o

[microlight]

I run the Microsoft FS2000 Concorde model in FS2002, with RollerBall's BA repaint - I've got a (shock horror) Virgin repaint from the SimV site too! I use some modified dynamics that make it flywell in 2002 - but don't know about 2004. Anybody wants to try it, send me an IM with your email address ...

[GWSimulations]

Greetings.
If you don't mind payware, check this out: http://shop.game.net/ViewProduct.aspx?c ... mid=323776
It's quite a nice package and comes with a DVD on the Concorde. Shipping from the UK is actually quite fast to the U.S. I don't usually fly Concordes, either, so I mainly bought it for sentimental value.
I haven't yet taken the time to wade through the manual, but from other reviews, it seems to be a pretty accurate depiction. The only problems that have been brought up are those of proper fuel transfer between the many tanks. - Matt D.

I'm getting that too. As for freeware, I use the PM2 (FSfrance) concorde, and it seems fine, perhaps it only works in FS2K2. Try SEconc on simviation FS2K2 civil jets page 1, that's good too. Hopefully one of these will work.  ;)

[WebbPA]

I've never tried a Concorde but I've got '00 laying around somewhere so I may try it.

I always hated a/c that used the Concorde autopilot, though.  That thing never worked right.

(microlight - Look for my pm.  I may get a head start on it.)

(PS - Do you use any particular panel or just a modified MS panel?)

[RollerBall]

Can't believe this (shock horror)

[GWSimulations]

[quote]I always hated a/c that used the Concorde autopilot, though.

[congo]

I don't have a prob getting off the deck, and yeah, the burners are lit up fine, it's just a power thing, it's gutless and won't climb right or go supersonic, I adjusted the power in the aircraft config to make it work, but thats such a cheat, it cheapens the thrill lol.

I'll try some other planes. I have FS2000, I wonder if the old stock concorde will transport to FS9? One way to find out I guess......

Nice pic Roger, which model is that?   Oops, nevermind!  :-[

It's ok, I can read lol. thx guys!  

[Iroquois]

I've never had problems with the PM2 Concorde. Well except for the fact that it's incredably frame rate unfriendly.

You just need to know how to fly deltas properly. First off, the Delta wing is very fickle. At high speed, it's very efficient. It's narrow profile is excellent at reducing drag. It's hard to explain this in techincal terms so I'll use a metaphore. Imagine your swimming in a pool. If you put your arms at 90 degrees to your body (like conventional wings) you will really feel the water drag on your arms as you kick yourself through the water. Pull them close to your body and less drag.

Of course, this advantage to the delta is a double edged sword. Streight wings are a lot better at low speed because they make more direct contact with the air. Delta's do not generate enough lift at low speeds. They require high takeoff and landing speeds as well as high flying speeds to prevent the aircraft from stalling. They also require a high angle of attack when landing and taking-off to deflect more air down to generate lift. Most early deltas didn't have flaps. These problems have been solved, the F-14 is a good example.

The best route in flying the Concorde is to let the autopilot do most of the work. Real life Concorde pilots only take off and land and the AP does the rest. In FS, while flying the concorde in the DVC, be sure to lower the nose for taxi, takeoff, and landing. This will allow you to see better. Raise the nose and visor in flight to reduce drag. I'm not sure how it's modeled in FS, but the nose does cause a lot of drag when lowered causing takeoff and landing speeds to be even higher. Just switch to full screen view if your having problems with that.

Another thing to remember is to use the reheat. This is required for takeoff and climb.

[foo_fighter]

Like IROQUOIS I have no problems at all with PM Concorde model, she flies smoothly, very very fast, mach 2.2 can be achieved but....but....

U MUST respect the CG and u MUST respect the climb rates otherwise Ull have a big booooooommmmm (stall, crash and burn babe, hasta la vista)

be sure to climb at 1600ft/min always keeping the fuel pumps working, nose up, afterbunner lighted till 20.000 ft and then she will go on very friendly

I've made several trips with, Guarulhos (Sao Paulo) to Australia with a refuel stop at Western Island (Chile), Sao Jose Air Base, England, Moscow and others no problem at all, but at the very beginin I've crash, stalled and almost gave in....
I think U must fly more in order to learn, plz read the manual too, it ll help a lot

cya

[737NGCapt]

Like IROQUOIS I have no problems at all with PM Concorde model, she flies smoothly, very very fast, mach 2.2 can be achieved but....but....

U MUST respect the CG and u MUST respect the climb rates otherwise Ull have a big booooooommmmm (stall, crash and burn babe, hasta la vista)

be sure to climb at 1600ft/min always keeping the fuel pumps working, nose up, afterbunner lighted till 20.000 ft and then she will go on very friendly

I've made several trips with, Guarulhos (Sao Paulo) to Australia with a refuel stop at Western Island (Chile), Sao Jose Air Base, England, Moscow and others no problem at all, but at the very beginin I've crash, stalled and almost gave in....
I think U must fly more in order to learn, plz read the manual too, it ll help a lot

cya

Keep in mind, Concorde isn't like the other birds many of us are used to flying. She's a unique bird. I fly by the charts and seem to have no problem, but at that rate if I did, i'd be scared. I've flowen 5hrs from London to Toronto in 'er, and had no problem. There's a translation of the PM2 French Checklist somewhere on this site, d/l that and follow it. Works flawlessly. If any has copies of the real BA or Air France checklists, please send 'em this way.  :) Also- If anyone is intersted in doing a Concorde group flight sometime, let me know.  :)

[congo]

Well,

I've got a lot of work to do, I've been tryin to fly the darn thing since My first MS flight sim.

I downloaded the manuals, read the speeds and climb rates, blah blah blah............. The only way I can get this baby up to speed is too increase the Thrust Scalar to 1.3 in the aircraft.cfg, and then it's afterburn to the top or no go. And this takes

[737NGCapt]

Maybe this will help some people:

TAKEOFF