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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby Nav » Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:27 pm

For some reason, as I descended to the runway threshold, the increasing sensitivity of the joystick x an y axes caused severe overcontrol to the point of mandatory go around.


olderndirt, we ALL had the same problem with FS at first. And STILL have it with new aeroplanes, they're all different. Practice is the answer - especially getting power, pitch, and trim exactly right.

Best way is to save a flight on approach, so you can call it up again, and then use it for practice until you get it right.

And PLEASE try the first few lessons! :)

[quote]Null zone at zero and autorudder enabled.
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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby olderndirt » Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:04 pm

Re-learning how to fly with FS9 - definitely a work in progress.
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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby Fozzer » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:11 pm

[quote]Re-learning how to fly with FS9 - definitely a work in progress.
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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby Sean_TK » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:38 pm

I would have to disagree with needing to come to a standstill before changing direction. This is an unsafe practice, especially after landing on an active runway. After landing, you need to be able to clear the runway in an efficient manner, and coming to a stop is a big "no-no" in the real world. Of course you don't want to be taking corners at forty miles per hour, but just slow down to a reasonable turning speed, and go where you need to go.
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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby Fozzer » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:57 pm

I would have to disagree with needing to come to a standstill before changing direction. This is an unsafe practice, especially after landing on an active runway. After landing, you need to be able to clear the runway in an efficient manner, and coming to a stop is a big "no-no" in the real world. Of course you don't want to be taking corners at forty miles per hour, but just slow down to a reasonable turning speed, and go where you need to go.


...slowing down to a walking pace is good advice, and in real life I like to "Test The Wind" before making sudden manoeuvres on the ground... ;)...!

The high wing Cessnas can suffer from the changing wind direction affecting the wings...getting underneath, and tipping the aircraft!

In the Sim, I generally slow to a standstill before changing direction  to prevent the dreaded "Ground Loop" and damaging the wings....especially in Tail-Draggers... :o...!

Paul....Keeping the insurance premiums as low as possible!...;)... ;)...!
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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby olderndirt » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:44 pm

My one and only ground loop was about 45 years ago after about 15 hours total time.
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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby Nav » Sat Jan 31, 2009 8:45 pm

Great, olderndirt, sounds like you're 'getting there' fast now. :)

A few specific tips.

About control sensitivity, I'd recommend that you largely stick to the default settings - Easy, Medium, or Hard. The reason being that 'monkeyed' settings may suit one aeroplane, but not another. Way back when I started I used 'Easy' but soon moved on to 'Medium,' and then all the way to 'Hard.' The reason being that, set to 'Easy,' the control responses were just plain too late, and too 'soggy'; like stirring a pudding!

I expect that your instructor told you once, as mine did, that it's 'eye/hand' coordination, not the other way around - your eye tells you how much response you're getting and THEN you tell your hand how much or how little to move the stick. As he put it. "Sooner or later you're going to HAVE to learn to look THROUGH the windscreen, not AT it!"

About 'Shift-Enter,' pressing the spacebar returns the panel to 'default.' As part of my approach checks, I usually 'zero' the panel position and then add one or two notches, whatever suits that particualr aeroplane.

Not much more to be said about the rudder, since the one thing that FS can't impart is 'seat of the pants' feel. You can't feel a skid or sideslip, as you can in the real thing; so you have to pay close attention to the 'visual clues.' Best to use the rudder as little as you can early on, bsnking is usually enough to keep lined up.

About taxiing, try starting a flight from 'parked,' and practise taxiing from there; you'll soon get the feel of the rudder for that partuclar aeroplane that way. After landing, always best, IMO, to slow to walking pace at first, then feed power on gradually to taxi. One thing about FS, even if some poor bugger behind you DOES get told to go around, you don't have to apologise to him in the bar afterwards! :)

One thing we haven't mentioned yet - trim. The normal key assignments are 'Num 1' and 'num 7' - which is awkward, as you basically have to look down at the keyboard to adjust the trim. Instead, try going into 'Assignments,' and scrolling down to 'Elevator Trim Up'. Click on 'Change Assignment' and press a button on your joystick (I use one at the top of my joystick, right under my thumb). Press OK and that button will then control 'trim up'; then do the same with 'Trim Down', assigning another button to that.

Then you'll be able to adjust trim without taking your eye off the important things. If you get it wrong at first, just click on 'reset defaults' and try again.
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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby olderndirt » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:46 pm

Hey NAV, sounds like you've burned a little avgas.
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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby Fozzer » Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:31 am

[quote]Hey NAV, sounds like you've burned a little avgas.
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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby Nav » Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:03 am

Hey NAV, sounds like you've burned a little avgas.


Yes mate - but a wife, three kids, and an eye injury put paid to all that. 'Easy come, easy go..........'

Made a flight over Seattle tonight in the B737


Oh well - you've asked for it. :) Here's how you land a 737......... :)

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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby olderndirt » Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:22 pm

Nav, you've outdone yourself
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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby Nav » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:46 pm

[quote]Your excellent tutorial, and others, begs the question - how possible would it be to collect these in book form for download?
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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby olderndirt » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:31 am

Thanks Nav.
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Re: stupid question? another in a series

Postby Nav » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:45 am

'Hole in one,' olderndirt. First flights in that Reeve Aleutian scenario (in the default DC3) are Anchorage/Port Heiden/Cold Bay! :)

I'd try the scenarios in the order I listed them, though. The Reeve one is probably the most testing of all - it includes mostly non-ILS landings, and one of them is in one-mile visibility, through mountains.

Byt the way, you don't have to use the official' aeroplanes (Cessna 182, B737, and Dak respectively) - you can substitute any aeroplane you like. But it's probably best to start that way.
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