Landing

[Smoke2much]

I have basicly two forms of landing.

1: I remember to put the gear down.

2: I forget to put the gear down.

I bounce more on the first varient.

[Hagar]

I have basicly two forms of landing.

1: I remember to put the gear down.

2: I forget to put the gear down.

I bounce more on the first varient.

If you have fixed gear you're not faced with that problem.

Hopalong Hagar.

[Fozzer]

Hi Doug...!
MY little Sim '152's are fitted with a carb heat control which I always get used to applying each time I close the throttle prior to landing.

Closing the throttle in a carburettored engine causes an increased airflow through a smaller apperture causing a dramatic reduction in the carburettor body temperature sufficient to freeze any moisture contained in the air.
This further restricts the air/fuel mixture to the engine and will cause the engine to stop... ...!
...nasty... ...!

Cheers Doug.

Paul....overcast, strong breeze....and I hate ICE...LOL... ...!

P.S. I noted that my flight instructor regularly applied carb heat during flight, and especially every time he reduced the throttle setting prior to reducing height.

[Hagar]

Closing the throttle in a carburettored engine causes an increased airflow through a smaller apperture causing a dramatic reduction in the carburettor body temperature sufficient to freeze any moisture contained in the air.
This further restricts the air/fuel mixture to the engine and will cause the engine to stop... ...!
...nasty... ...!

I knew that.
Read the article from my previous link. Right-click on the link & save it to your HD.

[JFG389]

For VFR landings I fly manualy but use a visual trick to help me.
I learned this some time ago from an old pilot; for me to use as a sim pilot.
To get pretty close to staying in the proper glide slope, always keep the runway in the middle of the windshield, that is up and down and side to side, all the way to the fence or piano keys, {that is the end of the runway}. Works greart for me.
JFG IFR and VFR Sim Pilot.

[Fozzer]

For VFR landings I fly manually but use a visual trick to help me.
I learned this some time ago from an old pilot; for me to use as a sim pilot.
To get pretty close to staying in the proper glide slope, always keep the runway in the middle of the windshield, that is up and down and side to side, all the way to the fence or piano keys, {that is the end of the runway}. Works great for me.
JFG IFR and VFR Sim Pilot.

...further to that excellent tip...
Always observe the end of the runway, (look in the distance), and don't over-concentrate on the spot that you intend to land on...
A gentle flare, and float onto the runway, (keeping an eye on the air speed indicator all the time, and avoiding the dreaded stall)..!
It's fun when you get it right...(expensive and painful when you get it wrong)... ...!

LOL... ...!

Cheers all...!

Paul.

[Smoke2much]

In addition, always be aware of the elevation of the runway you are landing on.  It can save you from many expensive situations in the dark.

Will

[Hagar]

For VFR landings I fly manualy but use a visual trick to help me.
I learned this some time ago from an old pilot; for me to use as a sim pilot.
To get pretty close to staying in the proper glide slope, always keep the runway in the middle of the windshield, that is up and down and side to side, all the way to the fence or piano keys, {that is the end of the runway}.

This is all very good advice - providing you can see the runway or anythng else through the windscreen.

[Fozzer]

This is all very good advice - providing you can see the runway or anythng else through the windscreen.

LOL...!

From the point in your photo, to when the pilot successfully lands his aircraft, is purely guess work... ...!
...a "wing and a prayer" springs to mind...LOL...!

Cheers Doug...!

Paul....how many bounces was that...?

[Hagar]

LOL...!

From the point in your photo, to when the pilot successfully lands his aircraft, is purely guess work... ...!
...a "wing and a prayer" springs to mind...LOL...!

Cheers Doug...!

Paul....how many bounces was that...?

LOL It's not quite as bad as that Foz. Note the pilot's in in the rear seat. He's looking over the side of the cockpit for a clear view of the runway. A good pilot can land right on the marks every time with no bounce. As for me, no comment.

To see how the pros do it check out my "How to land a taildragger" topic in the Photos forum. http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=photos;action=display;num=1109893883

PS. I could do it like that many years ago.

[supernova45849850l]

Hi All
I must say I am shoked at the amount of people who dont use ILS and fly the "seat off pants" VFR approach.

When I am flying I always fly the GPS approach and NAV hold so that the plane is lined up (although I have to fly the GS myself), I just cannot land a jet Manual, When I am comming in, its perfect, but things seem to go wrong in the last few feet - I will either land on the runway at the wrong angle and then drift off, or lose it at the last minute and miss the runway alltogether!!

Tho I must also add that flying a beechcraft or cessna I can follow glide slope and land on the centreline no probs at all - its just that jets land alot faster and I just cant seem to land them!!! Any advice would be very helpful to me!

I am talking about a clear day no wind - with wind on its a joke I wouldnt try to land in that! Again - any advice of vfr landing with a jet with wind would be helpfull too!!

[kk1]

Totally by sight, usually hit hard, nearlly allways miss the runway, but i have an excuse, i can't fly, but i shall keep trying

[Fozzer]

Hi All
I must say I am shocked at the amount of people who don't use ILS and fly the "seat off pants" VFR approach.

It's always useful to practice successful non-instrument approaches and landings at regular intervals, in preparation for the time when most, or all of your navaids suddenly become unuseable... ...!

Paul.

[Hagar]

Hi All
I must say I am shoked at the amount of people who dont use ILS and fly the "seat off pants" VFR approach.

Hi Supernove. It might surprise you to know that no so long ago this was the only option.

It obviously depends on which type of aircraft you prefer but to me this is what flying is all about.

[beaky]

Hi All
I must say I am shoked at the amount of people who dont use ILS and fly the "seat off pants" VFR approach.

It's no big, esp/ with smaller aircraft that can be landed with power at or near idle. In my RL light single training, CFIs always made sure I could fly an approach not only w/o navaids (including VASI or PAPI), but w/o the artificial horizon, or even the airspeed indicator! As foz pointed out, you must be able to carry on without all those gizmos to help you. The rule of thumb I live by is: If you can't take off, navigate, and land with only clock, compass and map, you've got no business flying (a particular airplane in partivular conditions).

When I am flying I always fly the GPS approach and NAV hold so that the plane is lined up (although I have to fly the GS myself), I just cannot land a jet Manual, When I am comming in, its perfect, but things seem to go wrong in the last few feet - I will either land on the runway at the wrong angle and then drift off, or lose it at the last minute and miss the runway alltogether!!

Use aileron for drift, rudder for centering the nose- wind or no wind. And if things get out of hand as you cross the threshold, abort, and try again until you get it right. In fact, you should go around even if things don't look good on short final. Trying to salvage a lousy approach is bad enough in small props- in a jet, it's asking for it.

Tho I must also add that flying a beechcraft or cessna I can follow glide slope and land on the centreline no probs at all - its just that jets land alot faster and I just cant seem to land them!!! Any advice would be very helpful to me!

Again, jets are not my thing, but I might also suggest you make sure you're flaring at the slowest safe speed for that airplane in whatever weight/balance configuration you've got (weight has a big effect on critical speeds in the big jets). You should have that speed locked at least by short final; trying to "pre-flare" just won't work. You need a little extra speed in a crosswind sometimes, esp. gusty winds (half the reported gust factor is how I learned it), but basically, you need to be as slowed-up as possible without sinking too fast or leaving your turbines spooled down to the point where you can't rev 'em up in time to go around if needed.

I am talking about a clear day no wind - with wind on its a joke I wouldnt try to land in that! Again - any advice of vfr landing with a jet with wind would be helpfull too!!

I haven't seriously explored the big jets, but I've made a couple of visual approaches in FS9 with jets, and yes, it's a bear, esp. with wind. Perhaps you're not using enough aileron to correct for wind- in a stiff crosswind, even airline pilots will try to put the upwind main wheel on first, then add more aileron as speed bleeds off , all while using rudder to pivot the nose back towards the centerline.  You may need to play with your sensitivity settings in FS to get this working for you.
 There may be better tricks available from experienced jet jockeys here, but I think you should practice xwind landings more with smaller birds first- maybe a small turbine job, like the Caravan or King Air. As for the wind, the same basic rules apply, no matter what the airplane... aileron for drift, rudder to maintain centerline. On final, choose the place you want to flare, and adjust things so that point sits still in your windscreen and everything else moves away from it. Watch the airseed, but don't stare at it. Remember also to use pitch to adjust speed, and power to adjust sink rate. As you flare, shift your attention to the end of the runway, and use peripheral vision to keep track of where you're at, altitude and centerline-wise. If you do that, with a nice slow airspeed, you should be OK. But it takes practice- which means patience. And if you're still frustrated, take comfort in the fact that  VFR landings in heavies are very rare indeed...
 Anyway, experimant with smaller turbines maybe... make mock approaches at a higher  altitude (pretend that, say, 3000 feet is your runway height) and play with power, pitch and directional control until you can:
Change airspeed without changing sink rate, and vice-versa.
Move the nose back and forth without drifting, and vice-versa.
Try it w/o wind until you feel that sense of mastery, then try xwind in increments of angle and speed.
Hope that helps- good luck!