Transferring FS2004 from primary drive to another drive.

[OldAirmail]

Most of FSX is on the SSD.

The FSX related files that have been moved from the SSD and onto the 1TB hard drive are;
Scenery files (18 gig)
Sim Object files (10 gig).
FS Genesis World Terrain (4 gig)
MegaSceneryEarth - Pennsylvania (17.5 gig)

49.5 gig total in FSX files


Due to the extreme slowness of REX Essential Plus Overdrive, I've left all 12.8 gig on the SSD.

[zswobbie1]

Mmmm, I see a few postings about 16GB ram, 12GB.. I stand corrected, but FSX & FS9 are both 32 bit programs & therefore CAN only address a maximum of 4GB ram, no matter how much you have. I have also read, I forget where, & also could be mistaken, that too much ram can cause oom errors. A mate of mine had 16GB ram & 4GB on graphics card. I ram a simple memory test when FSX was running & it showed that only 4GB was in use.

From what I gather, FSX can address a maximum total of 4GB ram, including that of the graphics card? Naturally with a 64bit OS.

[zswobbie1]

FS9 & FSX & P3D all have the same memory issues, as they are all 32bit programs that will run with a 64bit OS, addressing a max of 4GB ram.

[Fozzer]

..very interesting... ...!

FS 2004 and FSX programmed to use 32-bit memory addressing?

Which means, similar to old 8-bit (Sinclair Spectrum/Commodore C64, etc), and 16-bit programs (Amiga, etc), that the programs only had a certain number of addresses available to use, up the the maximum available at the time

Programs are written to address memory locations from the first address to the last address in the available memory area at the time.

----------------------------------
8, 32 and 64-bit binary encoding
Bit Value Decimal Equivalent
8-bit 11111111 255
32-bit 11111111111111111111111111111111 4,294,967,295
64-bit 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 18,446,744,073,709,551,615
-----------------------------------

So...I assume that a program written to address the maximum of 32-bit addresses will be unable to USE/SEE more than 4 giga-bytes of system memory?
..any excess memory memory will only be used by other programs (operating system, etc), in memory?

Paul....Sinclair Spectrum 48k Programmer using 8-bit addressing...0000 to FFFF....A bit of a byte!.... ...!

Hexadecimal Addressing: http://www.microbuilder.eu/Tutorials/Fu ... cimal.aspx

[OldAirmail]

A 32bit system will have almost 3.4 gig of ram to use out of 4 gig.

So whether or not a 32 bit program like FSX can "see" 4 gig is beside the point.

BUT running FSX on a 64 bit system with more than 4 gig is the best way to go, because FSX does not run in a vacuum. Your system will need resources to operate, etc.

On top of that, I almost always have other programs running with FSX, such as SPAD, Plan-G, FSUIPC, OpusFSX, and other external flight software.

The modern graphics card is an operating system in its self. And although it will take some of the system resources to operate, the memory on board is separate from the computers OS (for the most part, some cards will use system memory).

[zswobbie1]

Yup.. too true, & dont forget you need a 64bit system. As I posted earlier... " A mate of mine with Windows 7, 32bit, 8GB ram (& a 'fancy' graphics card),..... yes I know that it should be a 64bit system.. , has out of memory issues after a few moments with P3D. I'm perfect with W7, 64bit, 4GB ram on a laptop.

So, FS will use a max of 4GB, with other progs, etc using the rest of the available. memory.

"phew... gottit!! "

[garymbuska]

It's certently a memory issue when running FSX!!

I used to run 6gb 2000mhz, but i found out that was not enough!
I also needed to change fsx direction from D-drive to programs (x86) microsoft games on my C to get my addons running!!

Now, i upgraded memory to 12gb 2000mhz, and i haven't had any problems or issues yet.

Ofcourse it depends on the system, "coorperation" system between, what you got running behind win and drivers.

And Gary, if your files in win8 shows up as "read only", then you're not Adminstrator.

That is not the case I have full administrator rights this is just a goof in Windows 8 64 bit.
There is no reason for a txt file to be read only and even if I did not have administrator rights it would not make a txt file as read only unless I saved it that way.
My system at work has SYSCO installed and I do not have administrator rights and have no issues with TXT files. I can not run any exe files with out IT giving me permission as we like to say big brother is watching.
It is not a big deal but trust me that is what I discovered after installing FSX gold edition I could not figure out why I could not edit the cfg file and discovered the read only box was checked. Now I am going to go out on a limb here and say I doubt that the file is on the disk as a read only file (of course I could be wrong) but it really does not make any sense to do that and the cfg file was the only file that was that way.
It could be where the file is located at which is in a strange place. c:\users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\FSX\fsx.cfg
or something like that.

[Fozzer]

Even tho' I have full Admin rights in Win 7, I often find that the quickest and easiest method of modifying read/write text files in Windows 7, is to drag then onto the Desktop, modify them, and then drag them back to their original location again.
Otherwise the individual files have to be "checked" for both read and right permissions....(messing about!)!

We didn't have that problem with Windows XP. You could do what you liked with any file, in any location...one of the many the beauties of Win XP!

Paul.... ...!

[Bass]

It's certently a memory issue when running FSX!!

I used to run 6gb 2000mhz, but i found out that was not enough!
I also needed to change fsx direction from D-drive to programs (x86) microsoft games on my C to get my addons running!!

Now, i upgraded memory to 12gb 2000mhz, and i haven't had any problems or issues yet.

Ofcourse it depends on the system, "coorperation" system between, what you got running behind win and drivers.

And Gary, if your files in win8 shows up as "read only", then you're not Adminstrator.

That is not the case I have full administrator rights this is just a goof in Windows 8 64 bit.
There is no reason for a txt file to be read only and even if I did not have administrator rights it would not make a txt file as read only unless I saved it that way.
My system at work has SYSCO installed and I do not have administrator rights and have no issues with TXT files. I can not run any exe files with out IT giving me permission as we like to say big brother is watching.
It is not a big deal but trust me that is what I discovered after installing FSX gold edition I could not figure out why I could not edit the cfg file and discovered the read only box was checked. Now I am going to go out on a limb here and say I doubt that the file is on the disk as a read only file (of course I could be wrong) but it really does not make any sense to do that and the cfg file was the only file that was that way.
It could be where the file is located at which is in a strange place. c:\users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\FSX\fsx.cfg
or something like that.

Ok Gary. With your knowledge, i figured you were admin. I just mentioned it cause i've never seen it in win7 (dont have win8)(cant remember if i ever turned read only off), and i didn't think there could any differences in 7 and 8 concerning that matter! What i dont understand is the issue you mentioned with .exe files! That must be something new in win8! Never ever seen that.

@Paul, you are right. XP was a wonder to work with! M$ dont like wonders, they like to be in control

Sorry threadholder if we are going too far off topic

[zswobbie1]

Well, in W7, I just dropped my User Account setting right down & all is fine. No nags & everything just works.

[stephan]

I am not sure if you can drag and drop your sim folder to another hard drive. When you install the program,it creates other files that writes addresses of necessary files and when you move the sim folder,you are changing the addresses.Now,I am speaking of how things worked not so long ago. And I say this thru experience.But with the newer Windows,maybe it can be done. I scanned down the list of comments to you and I believe someone wrote that they had moved a program from one drive to another.If I am mistake,and no one said this,then like Fozzer suggested...it would be best to uninstall and reinstall the sim. It may be the best thing to do anyway. It prevents taking the chance of confusing your register and communications between file addresses on the hard drives. Again..I am speaking from the view of how things used to work in the computer world a few years ago.

[Hagar]

I am not sure if you can drag and drop your sim folder to another hard drive. When you install the program,it creates other files that writes addresses of necessary files and when you move the sim folder,you are changing the addresses.Now,I am speaking of how things worked not so long ago. And I say this thru experience.But with the newer Windows,maybe it can be done. I scanned down the list of comments to you and I believe someone wrote that they had moved a program from one drive to another.If I am mistake,and no one said this,then like Fozzer suggested...it would be best to uninstall and reinstall the sim. It may be the best thing to do anyway. It prevents taking the chance of confusing your register and communications between file addresses on the hard drives. Again..I am speaking from the view of how things used to work in the computer world a few years ago.

As I mentioned earlier I have FS9 backed up to an external hard drive. I did this by simply copy/pasting the FS9 root directory folder onto it. Much to my surprise the backed up copy runs perfectly, both on my WinXP desktop machine & Win7 64-bit laptop. This also works with FSX.

Auto-installs of some 3rd party addons might be a problem but I install all my addons manually.

[zswobbie1]

Just to re-cap.... I copied my whole FS9 directory to my portable drive. I pasted the whole thing onto a new PC..
I used the Flight1 registry patch program to tell the registry where FS9 is. I used 'teracopy' to copy the program because its a lot faster than the default copy program.

I've done this many times without any issues at all.
In fact... if you rename the fs9.exe in the copied folder to fs91.exe for example, as well as renaming the main folder, you can then paste the whole thing again & have a second version of FS9. I've done this to get an old fashioned version called 'Golden Wings' with old planes & scenery.

By doing this, you can set up a few different versions of FS9.
I also kept a 'clean' version backed up as well, in case of any mishaps, I just copy & paste from my backup to my active sim.

Phew.. Hope this all makes sense.

[WPadgett]

Most of FSX is on the SSD.

The FSX related files that have been moved from the SSD and onto the 1TB hard drive are;
Scenery files (18 gig)
Sim Object files (10 gig).
FS Genesis World Terrain (4 gig)
MegaSceneryEarth - Pennsylvania (17.5 gig)

49.5 gig total in FSX files


Due to the extreme slowness of REX Essential Plus Overdrive, I've left all 12.8 gig on the SSD.

Curious about the SSD drive and if running FSX from the SSD would improve FSX performance?

CP ASMEL Instruments

[garymbuska]

..very interesting... ...!

FS 2004 and FSX programmed to use 32-bit memory addressing?

Which means, similar to old 8-bit (Sinclair Spectrum/Commodore C64, etc), and 16-bit programs (Amiga, etc), that the programs only had a certain number of addresses available to use, up the the maximum available at the time

Programs are written to address memory locations from the first address to the last address in the available memory area at the time.

----------------------------------
8, 32 and 64-bit binary encoding
Bit Value Decimal Equivalent
8-bit 11111111 255
32-bit 11111111111111111111111111111111 4,294,967,295
64-bit 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 18,446,744,073,709,551,615
-----------------------------------

So...I assume that a program written to address the maximum of 32-bit addresses will be unable to USE/SEE more than 4 giga-bytes of system memory?
..any excess memory memory will only be used by other programs (operating system, etc), in memory?

Paul....Sinclair Spectrum 48k Programmer using 8-bit addressing...0000 to FFFF....A bit of a byte!.... ...!

Hexadecimal Addressing: http://www.microbuilder.eu/Tutorials/Fu ... cimal.aspx

Your age is showing Fozzer and I thought I was the only one that had one of those systems, Oops my age is showing now