EGLL-YSSY

[Nav]

Pleased to say that the 'reduced payload' idea is working out even better than I hoped, krazyj - I've done 40% of the trip now and still have 70% of the fuel left, celebrated by jacking up the speed!

thanx for inputs, do you have any other great ideas for "close call" trips ??

I could fill a book with those, I'm a 'round-world' addict - and I LOVE working out how to do long-range trips in short-ranged aircraft!

I started with jets but later came to prefer props - because you have many more options when it comes to economising on fuel. At the moment I'm taking my current favourite (1940 Hawker Hurricane II) round. It only has a 'book' range of 400nms., but by going high and keeping the revs down and the mixture lean, I can stretch that to 700 if I have reasonable luck with winds. Still have to work out the routes carefully, though, with a range that short.

You sure see some beautiful scenery on RW trips. This is one of the most picturesque parts of Saudi-Arabia  :)

[Nav]

Worked out as expected, krazyj - with the reduced passenger load, the default 747 made it comfortably LHR-SYD. I had almost 40% fuel left as I landed. Have you tried it yet?

[krazyj]

no not yet.. I'm thinkin I'll do it this weekend, had some car trouble that has kept me out of the cockpit.... but hopefully this weekend when the misses is working and the cats sleeping I'll have my crib all to myself and my PMDG 744..... how long did it take you to do the trip. did you use acc. time or did you do it hardcore

thanx for the encouragement..

[Nav]

I didn't log the flight time, krazyj - about 16 hours, I expect.

Personally I wouldn't hesitate to use accelerated time, except when the scenery is good. Most of the flight will be at night, anyway.

The time change will surprise you. Eastern Australia is 14 hours ahead of the UK; so if you take off from Western Europe at say midday, the time change plus journey time will mean that you'll arrive at pretty well the same time of day that you left!

I have a similar problem with commitments (except for the cats ) - that's one reason for the fact that I've come to prefer shorter 'legs'. I set up a flight, take off, climb to height, settle to the course and speed - then save it. Next session I get on to the destination (using acc. speed if necessary), land, taxi in, refuel, plan the next flight, and save the game again. That way I can break it down into small 'bites' if I have to.

I'd strongly recommend to anyone that they try round-world trips. The route planning, seeing different continents, and coping with different airports and weather conditions can be fascinating. But don't get too ambitious at first, choose something with reasonable range and speed so you get 'quick results' from the first trip (the Learjet is ideal).

Or I suppose that, having done LHR-SYD, you could take that 747 on all the way round (with a full load) via Los Angeles and New York?

After that, if you're anything like me, 'the bug will bite' and you'll find yourself addicted - and choosing shorter-ranged types and building up to more difficult routes.

[Flying Homer]

Lets try this with an Airbus A340-600

[phantom1]

The time change will surprise you. Eastern Australia is 14 hours ahead of the UK; so if you take off from Western Europe at say midday, the time change plus journey time will mean that you'll arrive at pretty well the same time of day that you left!

Actually, we are only 10 hours ahead of the UK here in Queensland. The rest of the eastern seaboard are on daylight saving time, so they're an extra hour ahead.

Alan

[krazyj]

well I gave it a shot.. and failed I set No wind, and filled the tanks...

came as far as the eastcoast of Australia and thought hey It aint that far now, and I had  75k lbs of fuel left about 75 miles of the coast... well I didnt make it.. with the PMDG 744 might be that I needed the widn to push me the rest but I'll have to try that on a later time...

but I'll have a go with the A340 see how that goes

[Nav]

Sorry to hear that, krazyj - maybe I didn't emphasise enough that you'd need the prevailing westerly winds. Next time I'd recommend that you download 'real weather' (no need to have it on all the time, a 'static' download before you start is usually good enough).

Also puzzled by you mentioning the 'east coast'? On the GPS 'great circle' route Heathrow-Sydney you'd have arrived at the north coast first, pretty well over Darwin?

Anyway, I'd strongly recommend that you go for the 'art of the possible' next time. Why not try Heathrow/Baghdad/Sydney/Los Angeles/Heathrow? I know that a 747 will do that easily, with a full load.

[lim]

can i just ask, how do you refuel and do a flight plan that allows you to have a stop in a country?

[krazyj]

hey guys

well of course I meant the north coast.. didnt have my head on straight when I wrote it
well EGLL to LAX sounds nice will give it a go with both the A340 and b747...

concerning the flight plan.. you make it one leg at the time say from heathrow to baghdad and from there to sydney and load them into your FMC or MCDU which ever aircraft you fly as 2 seperate company routes for easy acces... the refuel thing I guess you just pull up to the tanks and ask the guy to fill it up and clean the windshield and while he's at it check the oil   but on some of my scenerys from simflyers ect. you can refuel a full tank via a certain frequency at the gate, a very handy feature btw if any simflyers developers see this

or I assume you can do it from you fuel and weight menu in the game..

hope it helps

best

krazyj

[Nav]

About a long journey with several legs, my advice is 'keep it simple'. Plan one flight, taxi out, fly it, taxi in and park, and save the flight. When you're ready for the next leg, fire it up and plan the next flight separately (changing the time and weather if you like).

As for refuelling, yes, click on 'Aircraft' and use the Fuel Menu.

krazyj, about 'EGGL-KLAX'. I keep mentioning wind - prevailing winds in the Northern Hemisphere are almost always from the west. And at height they can often reach 75-100 knots, and save you (or cost you) a lot of fuel.Until you have more experience of long-range ventures, I'd strongly advise that you plan your trips east-bound.

[Icelandair Pilot]

I did KLAX-PHNL PHNL-KLAX

Made it in a 767 w/o refueling

Left with full tanks
came back with about 5% left?

[777-3ER]

Ther's 2 options.
1.Use either a 747-400 or 777-300ER with a few thousands of payloads and a few thousands of  fuel and turn on unlimited fuel in the aircraft realims settins so that you don't run out of fuel during such long haul.but that does'nt do much for realism.

2.Tke a 747-400 or 777-30ER make one stop at dubai intl to take fuel,load PAX whatever,And continue journey.that's it:)