by simonmd » Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:42 pm
Yes, it would be if that was the WHOLE story. The (admittedly childish) repaint with the 'tongue in cheek' registration was done AFTER Demetris from PA decided to have a little rant of his own.
I'll summarise but won't include names or a direct link to the thread so as not to stir things more.
A thread was started by the FTG raving about the new PA release. Everyone was praising it and giving PA credit for a job well done. There was however, one member who couldn't understand why 'wingflex' wasn't included and stated that 'if POSKY can do it, why not PA?' Demetris gave his reasons and MANY other FTG members backed him up explaining the technicalities of such a feature. After this, even though 95% of the thread contributors had defended Demetris' product, Demetris attitude changed abruptly. then someone made the mistake of saying;
"still no AF livery, maaan it should be included in any base package
Anyway, I'll try to do one myself "
To which Demetris replied;
"Couldn't complete it before I went off on holidays and I'm sure as f*ck not in any mood to complete it now for a bunch of whiners. There's the paintkit, if you're interested in flying our A320 I'm afraid you'll have to paint it, or cry at nights."
Another member (a member of management no less) was obviously surprised by this sudden outburst saying;
"You know its funny how you call a bunch of over-enthusiastic people waiting for a paint as bunch of whiners. Beats me.. "
Demetris responded;
"Looks like some colossal hypocrite forgot everything about the rest of this thread"
(Bear in mind this was an 8 page thread, this broke out half way through page 7 so the vast majority of it was full of praise and support for PA)
Another FTG member then said;
"is it just me, or does it seem that there is some sort of mandate that to become a developer, be it payware or freeware, you need to adopt some sort of high and mighty prick-like attitude? I'm damn sick and tired of the high horse I can tell you that. I'm very appreciative of the work that is done, especially by the freeware developers, but I'll be damned if I would expect people keep to their knees and demand the continual ass kissing. And to those that do, I suggest you look elsewhere for your undying need for gratification and find new motivation for your commitment to the FS community."
Demetris responded;
"The only one that's adopted a high and mighty prick-like attitude on this thread I'm afraid is xxxxx. I don't expect anyone to be ass kissing me, but I don't expect to be criticised for a freeware release either. Don't like the people behind it or don't like the model? Don't use it and let us be."
Fair enough, but Criticised? MOST of the thread couldn't have been more complimentary, as said above, one member ASKED why a feature was not modelled and was told by other FTG members in Demetris defence. Then another had the nerve to ask for a repaint of one of the biggest Airbus operators in Europe and was called a 'whiner'.
Another member of management then made his feeling known;
"With an attitude like that, I think I'm going to keep my hands off anything with the Project Airbus logo across it. I'm sure as f*ck not in any mood to fly anything by you guys with that kind of attitude. And I'd advise you to stfu with the Posky-esque attitude, this isn't the Posky forums and you won't have the benefit of censored posts around here."
Demetris responded;
"f*ck POSKY; we're nothing like it and neither do we intend to be. If you're a clueless moron then shut your trap.
Go read the whole f*cking thread, maybe then you'll get a clue."
Response;
"I sorely disagree. You are subject to criticism anytime you put anything up for public consumption whether it is freeware or not. Besides, I hardly think a couple of tongue in cheek comments about releasing an Air France livery is criticizing.
What I'm ungrateful about is the need to shout up to the top of the pedestal that some developers put themselves on to get a word in edgewise. Even in your last statement "After this release I've lost all interest in continuing to produce add-ons for some ungrateful so-called "community"" you make the ever popular threat to retire from developing because the accolades aren't up to your standards. There have been tons of compliments and back pats in this thread alone and I venture to guess the same holds true in other threads as well, but it isn't enough is it?
At any rate, I've said my piece, which was probably too much, but it is what it is. I intend to stick to the iFDG model after all this because at least with it there's no need for kneepads."
Demetris responded;
"Stick to the iFDG sh*t and enjoy. I could care less."
So, you tell me who do you think had the attitude? The above all took place on the 7th of July and it was reported that the FTG was 'blacklisted' publicly on the PA website on July 7th, at 06:29 PM.
According to PA's own forum, the 'joke repaint' wasn't released until Sun Jul 8th, 2007 10:36am, LONG after Demetris had given many FTG members abuse and then publicly blacklisted them with the FTG having no way to defend itself.
Oh, and to quote you above ALEX;
"...was simply responding to the 'flame-bait' that FTG posted on their homepage, but quickly removed after they realized how stupid it made them seem."
Where do you suppose I've just got all the above from then? The FTG does not censor or remove posts, it's there for all to see.
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simonmd on Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
