Want to add a Boeing 707 and 727 to FS2004

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Re: Want to add a Boeing 707 and 727 to FS2004

Postby Papa9571 » Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:47 pm

Ok..The light is starting to come on.

You want to fly the jets the same way you fly the Cessna..by hand.

It can be done but takes some work. And you have to really pay close attention to the aircraft when you do.

The big jets are not like the Cessna. For one thing you have passengers safety and comfort to consider, not to mention fuel, weather, and altitude.

For those reasons I would recommend you use the autopilot once airborne so the ride is smooth, fuel use is minimized, and proper altitude is maintained. Even the early 707's had an altitude maintain switch to keep them level at the assigned altitude.

And as far as seeing your throttles using the default aircraft, in your cockpit there should be a button you can click on to see them.
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Re: Want to add a Boeing 707 and 727 to FS2004

Postby Gary R. » Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:14 am

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If you search the various file libraries, here and over at avism you can find POH's for different aircraft.  You will have to learn how to read and understand the engine guages on different power plants.  On piston engines, the primary gauge for measuring engine performance is MAP preasure guage.  There are two useful ones on turbines, the torque gauge, and the ITT gauge.  On jets, the primary monitored engine parameter is the N1 guage.  In fact, the N1 value is what FMC's control primarily when they are set up to do de-rating, which is a fuel, wear and tare and therefor money saving function.  If the plane is lightly loaded, the pilots are able to program the FMC for a reduce take-off power.  The reduced power settings are typically on tables from the manufacturer found in the plane's POH.  But, that is probably getting a little deeper than you need at the moment.  Only really useful to know when you get into complex payware add-ons like 738 NG, 747 QOS, Level D 767, ERJ-145 PIC, or CRJ Experience. What I'm basically trying to say is that manageing your power in this manner is wholly realistic to how it's done on the real planes.  Each plane out there has power/flightregime tables which pilots follow.  Yes, they can physically see how far their throttle control is applied but that's not what they go by, they fly according to the published numbers and watch those gauges.  Typically, the engine gauge you will need to go by, whether it be MAP, torque, or N1 will have yellow and red zones, much like a tachometer on a car.  If you download a POH for that plane and compare the published numbers with the way the gauge is marked typically you will find them right in line, of course altitude has an effect to.  You might be flying the engine in it's designed limits but it could still be to fast, to low for the airframe design.  Once again, the published numbers for a plane tell you what speed/altitude number to flollow to avoid overspeed warnings and such.  Even military fighters can overspeed/overstress if to fast to low, It's just their limits are higher becaudse they are built for speed and manueverability.  Keep us posted on you lessons and flights, we will help you all we can. Simv is a flying family and incidently, there are a number of liscensed private and airline pilots in the family.  You've come to the right board.  Happy landings.
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Re: Want to add a Boeing 707 and 727 to FS2004

Postby boeing707forever » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:19 pm

I just wanted to update everyone that is helping me. I am on the VOR lesson and have been practicing that alot before I move on.

Hope to move on soon and continue with lessons.

Thanks for all the help and I'll keep you posted on my progress.
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Re: Want to add a Boeing 707 and 727 to FS2004

Postby microlight » Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:08 pm

IMHO the best freeware 727-200 out there is Eric Cantu's Vista Liners model. Very detailed and realistic, wioth some great repaints. Look for the modern American and retro Astrojet textures - fantastic.

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Re: Want to add a Boeing 707 and 727 to FS2004

Postby Gary R. » Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:46 pm

Along with Eric Cantu's 727 model the best freeware 727 panel would have to be Richard Probst's.  Even though it only represents the fuel area of the FE panel it is still top notch for what it's intended to simulate which is a Captain's simulation.  You don't really have much time to operate an FE panel during procedures anyway.  
I am working on a 727 panel fuse job.  I intend to combine elements of Richard Probst's panel and Lonny Paynes 727 panel to create a more complete 727 flight deck.  It will basically involve using the FE panel in Lonny Paynes 727 panel and adding the fuel panel from the Richard Probst panel in the correct area of that bitmap. Then, I will map it to the same ident that the original RP fuel panel used.   If I can get it all to work together it should be fairly immersive though I won't upload it without permission from RP and Lonny Payne.
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Re: Want to add a Boeing 707 and 727 to FS2004

Postby boeing707forever » Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:12 pm

I am almost done getting the VOR down pat so I can move on. I am looking forward to getting further along in my lessons now. Just wanted to update where I am so far.
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