Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel..?

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Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel..?

Postby Fozzer » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:39 am

Hello Lads... ;D...!

...I know it's sacrilege, but.....
....on my General Aviation piston prop aeroplanes...

Is there a way of removing the animated yoke from the VC 3D cockpit... ;)...?

I have been forced into flying with the VC cockpit rather than my preferred 2D cockpit with the yoke removed so that I can see, and operate ALL the controls... ;D...!
...but the bleedin' yoke in the VC cockpit REALLY does get in the way of operating many of the controls which are behind the yoke... :'(...!
...and obviously there is no way of looking over the top or side of the yoke, as a real pilot would do!
(Don't mention the "IR" program... ;)...)

Pulling and pushing the yoke to try and gain access to the hidden controls only results in frenetic flight, terrifying the passengers... :o...!

A typical example is gaining access to the heading bug on the autopilot gauge dial....
...and the lighting switches, ignition switch, etc... :'(...!

There is nothing obvious in the Panel notepad file, so I assume that the animated yoke may be part of the original design of the whole aircraft, and cannot be altered by the user...?

...any ideas...?

Cheers Lads...;D...!

Paul....it's no yoke joke.... :'(...!

...LOL... ;D...!
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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby dave3cu » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:24 am

...and obviously there is no way of looking over the top or side of the yoke, as a real pilot would do!


You should be able to look over/around it using the 'move eyepoint' key commands.
Ctrl+Ent/Bkspc
Shft+Ent/Bkspc
Ctrl+Shft+Ent/Bkspc
Space bar to reset eyepoint.

Looking over the yoke in D18S....just like a real pilot
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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby Fozzer » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:27 am

Hi Dave.... ;D...!

Ta for the tips...
Just tried them out.... ;D...!

...'trubble is, after fiddlin' about with all the various keyboard combinations and rotating my joystick hat to vary the viewpoint just prior to landing, and trying to see the position of my trim wheel and flaps, and whether my wheels are up or down, instead of glancing out of the window where I am going, I have just snapped off the nose-wheel and buried my propeller into the runway, and I am covered with the contents of the rear passengers sick-bags... :-[...!
...thank-you...!
LOL...!

There must be a way of unscrewing my bleedin' yoke from the VC cockpit....;)...?
LOL...;D...!

Paul...filling in the bloody Insurance forms....again... :'(...!
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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby dave3cu » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:55 am

Did some fiddlin' around and in the case of the D18 was able to make it's yoke invisible by editing the alpha channel, for the yoke's bmp, to black, 0,0,0.

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The same could be done for the column. Fairly easy in this model as the yoke and column have their own .bmp's. Other ac might have the yoke/column textures within a larger texture plate.

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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby Fozzer » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:08 am

Hi Dave...!

A lot of the VC Cockpit appear to be contained in the "magic!" .cab file in the Panel Folder...

...But there is a .bmp picture of the 2 yokes in the Panel Folder....
Whether they are for the 2D or 3D panel, or both I dont know....

Worth a try, even tho' I've no idea how to alter them in PSP 4... ;)...!

Ta Dave... ;D...!

Paul...what's an Alpha.... ;)... ;D...?
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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby dave3cu » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:15 am

What aircraft?, I'll could have a look.

I believe the proper .bmp for vc would be in the 'texture' folder.

*From my limited knowledge, Alpha is basically a 4th value assigned to each pixel that sets transparency or reflectivity. (R,G,B+Alpha)

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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby Fozzer » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:36 am

What aircraft?, I'll have a look.

*From my limited knowledge, Alpha is basically a 4th value assigned to each pixel that sets transparency or reflectivity. (R,G,B+Alpha)

Dave


Hi Dave...!

The aircraft are from Just Flight's "Flying Club"...
Cessna and Pipers...
One of them, one which I have difficulty with in the VC cockpit, is their lovely Cessna 152...
...but now that I am being encouraged to use the 3D cockpit more often... :'(....I'm sure I will have similar problems on other aircraft as well... ;)...!

So It looks like a bit of Alpha fiddlin'... ;).... ;D....!

Cheers Dave...!

Paul....somewhere in the English "Channel".... ;)... ;D...!
LOL...!

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I believe the proper .bmp for vc would be in the 'texture' folder.
End quote.

Buggar....those are "funny-looking" files, not ordinary .bmp files...LOL... ;)...!
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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby Hagar » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:49 am

A lot of the VC Cockpit appear to be contained in the "magic!" .cab file in the Panel Folder...

You seem to be doing fine without my help but here's a couple of points. I suspect that CAB file in the Panel folder is a gauge, just like some of the default aircraft,. Unless the yoke is in the gauge (unlikely I would think) it's part of the DVC which is defined in the visual model so any textures will be in the Texture folder. You can edit the Alpha Channel in DXTBmp.

Unfortunately you've chosen a Payware aircraft as an example so I can't check it out for you.
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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby dave3cu » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:53 am

Buggar....those are "funny-looking" files, not ordinary .bmp files...


Get Martin Wright's DXTBmp

It opens those funny lookin .bmp's. You then send the main bmp or the alpha to your PSP for editing.

Have d'loaded the c152 demo, will take a look at it.

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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby dave3cu » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:05 am

Problem solved for the JF c152.......read on.

Click on the yoke and it disappears....click on the hole and it reappears.   :D

At least it works in the demo I d'loaded.

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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby Fozzer » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:06 am




Have d'loaded the c152 demo, will take a look at it.

Dave



Tee-Hee...!

I hope you have better luck than I did, Dave...
It took a fortnight (I exagerate) on 56k to download the time limited Demo, and when I tried to install it, it said, "Sorry, Fozz! Your time has expired!"...
...Buggar...!
So I had to go out to my local "Game" shop and thrust
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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby Hagar » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:07 am

[quote]Problem solved for the JF c152.......read on.Click on the yoke and it disappears....click on the hole and it reappears.
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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby Fozzer » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:15 am

Problem solved for the JF c152.......read on.

Click on the yoke and it disappears....click on the hole and it reappears.   :D

At least it works in the demo I d'loaded.

Dave


Nah...!
...buggar... :'(...!

It does on the 2D panel, (click on the label "Yoke"), but there is nothing click-able on the VC 3D yoke in the full version... :'(...!

That would have been perfect, otherwise... ;D...!

Sorry Dave...Enjoy the '152 'till the time runs out... ;)...!
...love the sound...!!

Paul... 8)...!
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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby Hagar » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:44 am

Nah...!
...buggar... :'(...!

It does on the 2D panel, (click on the label "Yoke"), but there is nothing click-able on the VC 3D yoke in the full version... :'(...!

That would have been perfect, otherwise... ;D...!

It does work on the DVC yoke Paul. Well, it does on the Demo version anyway cos I just tried it. Why would they change it on the full version?
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Re: Removing the yoke on the VC, 3D cockpit panel.

Postby dave3cu » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:54 am

Dunno' unless you got an older version or sumptin'..


This show the clickable area in vc.  
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It  also show the vc after I edited the alpha to remove the yoke (c152_c1.bmp). Needs to be cleaned up a little, but if this is your only option, it will work.

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