enough with the repaints already

[gmyers]

Enough with the repaints already.  How many different Boeing 747's can one person want, need or care about.  With all of the tools available and all of the different planes, why don't we all just agree to start building planes instead of yet another set of paint jobs for the same old planes.

I know it's not easy.  I had to learn how to do it too and my first couple of planes sucked really bad, but you have a large community of plane builders out there with a wealth of information and help at your fingertips.

There are hundreds of certified aircraft and thousands of experimental and ultralight aircraft yet un modeled for use in MSFS.  Do we really need to see another air italia or braniff paint job?

Gary

[Felix/FFDS]

Believe it or not, people model, repaint, whatever, because they WANT to.

By your definitition, then, once all airplanes are modelled, then no one needs do make anymore - unless the new version of FS changes the rules and the circle runs anew.

[Super_Game]

Maybe you're the only one that doesn't want repaints. You want models? Then get the payware stuff. You should even be lucky these repaints are FREE. So live with it!

[gmyers]

My point is, and I think it's fairly obvious, is that with several hundred repaints of the Boeing  livery, haven't we had enough of that?  If you want to repaint stuff, paint stuff that hasn't been repainted to death.  But better than repainting, why not try building an airplane that hasn't been modeled yet.  If you have the patience and skills to do the repaints, it's not that much more to the building level and then another step to the animating level and the virtual level and so on.  Graduate already!

[gmyers]

You all seem to be missing the point by becoming angered at my slight of what you do.  You misunderstand me.  I have seen some amazing repaints and thought, "Wow, what a great job."  But, I also reached a point at which yet another version of the Beech Baron no longer held any interest becuase it was just the same old same old.  How many twin otters, how many 777's, how many Cessna 172's do we need where the only difference is the color on the outside which you can't see from the inside anyway.  There are some model makers that sorely need the help of good model painters. Email a few of them and volunteer your services or ask for a copy of the source files so that you can do a repaint.  Most would say sure, go for it.

This is not a comment about the quality of the work just the quantity of the repetitions.

[gmyers]

oh, btw, I do have the payware stuff.  It's a lot easier to use than PhotoPaint of Photoshop once you learn the bits and pieces.  Of course, it takes a little time and a willingness to learn which I understand some folks run a deficit in.  However, if you can do this, you can do that.  And again the point isn't that repainters haven't done a good job, only that they've done the same job over and over.

[Travis]

You know, the reason so many repaints of the same aircraft are done is that PEOPLE LIKE THEM!

[gmyers]

Listen, this is getting completely stupid.  You're not reading what I'm writing.  You're just getting mad because you think somebody is trying to stop you from doing what you want to do.  I am not, nor could I if I wanted to, stop anybody from doing anything simply by writing words on a computer.  I haven't got that kind of persuasive power.  I am merely suggesting a different course of action than that which I have seen.  Which is to say, try something new.

You asked what business is it of mine.  The simple answer is,

[Hagar]

Steady on guys. No need to get your bowels in an uproar. LOL

Having done both I can assure you that repainting & modelling are a completely different prospect. Not everyone has the talent to create an original aircraft, nor do they wish to do so. This doesn't involve just creating the visual model which is quite difficult enough. The expectations are so great these days that one aircraft can take many months of research, hard work & frustration. People now expect a fully functional DVC, reflective textures, full 2d panel & accurate flight dynamics to go with it. Not many individuals can do all that themselves so the only way is to work as a team.

Repainting is comparatively easy & a great way to get started in this hobby. Some repainters will go on to other things while the great majority prefer what they do & will not.

[Travis]

Okay, I appologize.  From reading your post, I assumed you were trying to suggest that those who love repainting quit doing it and do something "more productive".  But I can see now that you were merely suggesting that we could put the time towards a different use.

I have been repainting for about six or eight months now, and have become fairly good at (if I do say so myself ), but have now started in on a Gmax project which has taken my time up from doing the other things.  Eventually, it will include a full VC and 2d panel, as well as all the extras everyone's always on about.  Takes a pretty good chunk out of my free time; I don't even fly more than a couple hours per week, anymore.  That's really getting annoying.

I can understand that seeing all those repaints gets a little bothersome, but you have to remember that there are those who look at repainting like others look at creating.

I also don't want to limit you from making your opinion heard, but when I read the original post, again, I thought you were coming down hard.

So I'll say it again, I'm sorry.

And BTW, I'm no Brit . . .

[TJ_Gumby]

People ARE making new models. Have you seen Barry Blaisdell's new GMAX twin otter? Best twin otter i've seen. But when a new model comes out, people want to do repaints of it as there are very few to start with. Personnaly i like to make my livery match my flight as much as possible. If i'm flying from Vancouver to Toronto, I want an Air Canada 747, from Hawaii to Sydney a Quantis 747 etc. I'm just glad there are people like Project Open Sky and others that make it possible.  ;)

[Felix/FFDS]

Guys - let's understand one thing.  I subscribe to the "how many Delta 767 repaints do we REALLY need?"

However, each repainter believes that HIS (or her) version is "the best" for the moment.

This argument can also come across as "How many Airbus A340 models do we need?"

While it is true that modellers and repainters paint what they want, there is still a "market" for that next 737-200 repaint, special Cubana livery that only appeared for a couple of weeks, and then only on the right side while a movie was being made...

The point is, one can suggest and hope that new models - either never made before, or significant updates of previous models - are made.  But ...  how many 747 repaints can there be?

Ultimately, it's a rhetorical question.  Any suggestion to encourage others to make different repaints, or models, altogether, will be heeded by few, and most will continue to build/repaint as they choose..

[Scottler]

A few points you're conveniently missing.

1.  They're not all identical.  One guy could repaint a Meljet, another an FFX, and a third a POSKY.  Just because they're both United, doesn't mean they're the same planes.

2.  Some repainters do them freehand, as I do.  Others repaint with photos of aircraft.  The end result will be different, thus making them different airplanes.

3.  The most important rule of all, GMyers.  If you don't want it, don't download it.  Problem solved.

[gmyers]

Again, several seem to get it while one continues to be upset (the last one) and feel as though I have trodden on holy ground.  Repaint all you want.  Really, knock yourself out.  I have all of the airbus 340's I need thank you and I'd about up to here with 777-200's.  Of course, if you'd like to do a repaint of my Guri BA5 or my CAP10-B, feel free.  Send me a copy.  I'd love to see it

[Scottler]

And then there are those who are merely here to start trouble and perpetuate an issue which they created themselves.  No worries.  They're always dealt with accordingly.